Not especially, I'm feeling pretty good about you right now (because you're in a neighborhood with people much scummier than you if nothing else), I'm just not sure when "too smug to be scum" has ever been a thing. Because, you know, hi, I'm the smuggest snake that ever smugged.
Posted: Mon Feb 10, 2014 5:21 pm
by Kazekirimaru
The idea of Nacho being too smug to be anything is laughable in and of itself.
(I'm reading them as lean-town, btw. Gut feels, mainly.)
In post 1557, Angry Frat BROs wrote:Also why the hell did Varsoon die. I was sort of expecting Sangres or maybe Dan.
This does support pie-town, at the least. Generally, scum not killing obvious targets means they fear protection.
no. bad. discuss something worthwhile instead of wasting time talking about me plz
and while you're at it answer my question
In post 1452, pieguyn wrote:anyway, in that case, what kind of reaction should i look for from a scum-mastin? and how can i tell you're not scum faking your town behavior?
So why do you need to rush this so fast? Don't you think with all the suspicion on me from day one that there's likely to be an investigation on me? You don't feel like waiting for it?
what the actual fuck?
In post 1659, Kagami wrote:Jesus, if I had an ability that killed my entire wagon, I'd just need cabd to vote for me and we'd probably win.
no literally what the fuck. I've never seen you like this. what happened
Posted: Mon Feb 10, 2014 5:39 pm
by pieguyn
In post 1434, pieguyn wrote:town: me, Skull, sangres, Brian
null-town: Kaze, cephrir, AFB, venmar, orcinus, Aegor, macmollie, Cabd
null: everyone else
scum: mastin, zmuffin
Dan upx2
orcinus.... down?
was considering moving AFB down but nope
vote: Kagami
Posted: Mon Feb 10, 2014 5:42 pm
by pieguyn
In post 1076, Varsoon wrote:@Skull: I'm still pretty happy with a Mastin, although...
VOTE: Sangres
Dude talks too much. I don't like the cadence.
^^^ afaik Varsoon was the only one who had a scumread on sangres. idk if it means anything though
Posted: Mon Feb 10, 2014 5:45 pm
by pieguyn
on that note liking macmollie and maybe Aegor for scum in the 5 man neighborhood. Gooner is still town as fuck and is a terrible lynch
Posted: Mon Feb 10, 2014 5:53 pm
by sangres
In post 1621, Kagami wrote:I've never seen a chief protagonist as fake-claim.
I've seen it. I've done it. It's theme game design 101.
Posted: Mon Feb 10, 2014 5:58 pm
by pieguyn
[quote="In post 1587, sangres"][/quote]
Flandre's massive fencesit on Aegor/Skull makes me think both are town and she was trying to redirect suspicion way from the real scum in the neighborhood
which makes me lean towards macmollie even more
Posted: Mon Feb 10, 2014 6:00 pm
by pieguyn
In post 1587, sangres wrote:We spent a lot of time looking at this last night.
Not the we you think.
mollie mentioned being in a neighborhood yesterday. So am I. All the players in that neighborhood were mentioned in Flandre's post 539.
As nacho, put it, either Flandre knew of our neighborhood and its composition, or it's a batshit coincidence.
Flandre's massive fencesit on Aegor/Skull makes me think both are town and she was trying to redirect suspicion away from the real scum in the neighborhood
In post 1621, Kagami wrote:I've never seen a chief protagonist as fake-claim.
I've seen it. I've done it. It's theme game design 101.
How to make a theme:
1. Place {numplayers} "good" names into random.org.
2. Pull the bottom {num scum} out to be fakeclaims
3. Assign the rest to town players
Posted: Mon Feb 10, 2014 6:03 pm
by sangres
In post 1637, Angry Frat BROs wrote:If people wanted to make MS look scummy, then Venmar was obviously the right kill.Killing Varsoon just makes Cabd (mostly) and a few scattered people look bad.
Hell Varsoon even talked about keeping MS alive at one point.
Varsoon had what I thought were oddball reads and chaotic votes/foses. He was unlikely to be protected but he was also unlikely to be mislynched.
It kinda suggests, though, that remaining scum aren't too concerned about heavy hitting scumhunters (of which there are a few in this game) catching on to them quickly. That or Varsoon posed a unique threat somehow.
I feel like this is a topic that could swirl through the same territory over and over.
In post 1621, Kagami wrote:I've never seen a chief protagonist as fake-claim.
I've seen it. I've done it. It's theme game design 101.
How to make a theme:
1. Place {numplayers} "good" names into random.org.
2. Pull the bottom {num scum} out to be fakeclaims
3. Assign the rest to town players
This. Sadly it took me messing it up twice to realize this!
Posted: Mon Feb 10, 2014 6:07 pm
by sangres
In post 1647, Kagami wrote:Basically, my hope here is that someone will fly in and confirm me town. If someone can't do that, then I question bork's sanity in choosing roles.
So you're saying there's 4 scum (I am assuming single-ball with 5 man team here) in this list?
{Angry Frat Bros, Venmar, mastin2, Metal Sonic, Cephrir, Cabd, Kazekirimaru}
We didn't discuss outing this. But, I think it needs to be done.
Confirming this.
In post 1608, Skullduggery wrote:Why would Flandre, in an act of survivalism, add momentum to a counter-wagon
on his own partner
when he could have just as easily joined the equally viable Metal Sonic, Muffin, or Mastin wagons?
In case you missed AFB's post, distancing.
As for Metal Sonic, I think he's Town because of an observation I had during the Night phase. Remember how Metal Sonic repeatedly asked who Flandre's main account was during Day 1? If Metal Sonic and Flandre were both Scum, don't you think that this was a question that he would have asked Flandre during the pre-game? There are three possibilities:
1.) Metal Sonic is Town.
2.) Metal Sonic is Scum and the Scum team didn't have pre-game talk for whatever reason.
3.) Metal Sonic is Scum and he kept asking about Flandre's identity just to throw us off.
The first possibility seems like the most likely to me.
In post 1313, Kagami wrote:I'm concerned about the absence of a counter-wagon
Soft defending of Flandre.
In post 1393, Kagami wrote:I don't think all the scum would be on-board this as a bus if Flandre is scum, and I think they would be pushing an alternative wagon in the hopes for a mislynch rather than a scum-lynch. The lack of a counter-wagon suggests to me that they are happy with the current lynch.
I view the FS lynch as policy. She has certainly done just about nothing, but she's hardly the only one. The scummiest thing flandre has done so far is to refuse to divulge her main account; but I think that's just as likely anti-town town behavior as anti-town scum behavior. The appeal to "survivalism" is also kind of bad, but falls in the same category, imo. Still not a bad lynch, just a not bad policy lynch.
Really shallow wagon analysis, once again casting doubt on the Flandre lynch.
What is particularly disconcerting is that while no counter-wagon formed, Kagami was still attempting to slow and possibly eventually redirect the lynch. At the least we know that scum did not push an alternative wagon and was at best indifferent or oblivious to the lynch.
So why do you need to rush this so fast? Don't you think with all the suspicion on me from day one that there's likely to be an investigation on me? You don't feel like waiting for it?
LOL. You are not at L-1. Please.
In post 874, Kagami wrote:I don't know what my scum-game would look like, but it's most likely going to involve more focus on the game's events rather than less.
Like when you started pointing out the lack of counterwagon on FS instead of actually suggesting new lynches? The rest of your posts except your Ceph vote were noncommittal and very bland, even when voting.
From the same post:
Flandre's naked vote is not scummy, imo.
Now, this leads to interesting associative results, especially with respect to Kaze:
Spoiler:
In post 1316, Kazekirimaru wrote:That said, anyone else want to wagon ScumKagami with me? Last chance.
I'll also accept MS. I really don't want to see that guy make it to LyLo at any rate.
Really. This FS wagon feels meh and I'm not the hugest fan of compromise.
In post 1319, Kazekirimaru wrote:I really wish I had picked up on your scent earlier so I could do my hypertunnel-the-gut-scumread thing.
Given Flandre's flip and the relationship between Kaze and Kagami, I would say there is no way both are scum. So if Kagami is scum, Kaze is totally cleared. It makes no sense for scum to derail a scum wagon in favor of a different scum wagon. If Kagami is town, then Kaze's view of the FS wagon as "meh" and attempt to wagon Kagami look worse.
Also interesting to me are Venmar's post 1311 and post 1496, which constitute one of the few attempts to question the FS wagon at all. They very well could be nothing, but look mildly worse if Kagami is scum.
The only other bizarre thing to me was muffin voting cabd out of nowhere in post 1354, but it does not really feel like an attempt to derail.
Posted: Mon Feb 10, 2014 6:21 pm
by AngryPidgeon
In post 1693, Aegor wrote:So if Kagami is scum, Kaze is totally cleared. It makes no sense for scum to derail a scum wagon in favor of a different scum wagon.
In post 1693, Aegor wrote:and post 1496, which constitute one of the few attempts to question the FS wagon at all. They very well could be nothing, but look mildly worse if Kagami is scum.
In post 1693, Aegor wrote:So if Kagami is scum, Kaze is totally cleared. It makes no sense for scum to derail a scum wagon in favor of a different scum wagon.
In post 1693, Aegor wrote:and post 1496, which constitute one of the few attempts to question the FS wagon at all. They very well could be nothing, but look mildly worse if Kagami is scum.
P-edit: Ya I think so. BRO and I think Venmar townslipped in it. I think MS is townish. Not 100% sold on either of them, but lean town on them for sure.
In post 1693, Aegor wrote:So if Kagami is scum, Kaze is totally cleared. It makes no sense for scum to derail a scum wagon in favor of a different scum wagon.
In post 1693, Aegor wrote:and post 1496, which constitute one of the few attempts to question the FS wagon at all. They very well could be nothing, but look mildly worse if Kagami is scum.
In post 1693, Aegor wrote:So if Kagami is scum, Kaze is totally cleared. It makes no sense for scum to derail a scum wagon in favor of a different scum wagon.
In post 1693, Aegor wrote:and post 1496, which constitute one of the few attempts to question the FS wagon at all. They very well could be nothing, but look mildly worse if Kagami is scum.
I thought you all looked pretty town yesterday, but that was in comparison to my big-ass scummy looking neighborhood. :/
oops
P-edit: Ya I think so. BRO and I think Venmar townslipped in it. I think MS is townish. Not 100% sold on either of them, but lean town on them for sure.
Posted: Mon Feb 10, 2014 6:30 pm
by sangres
screwed the quote up. My reply was "I thought you all looked pretty town yesterday, but that was in comparison to my big-ass scummy looking neighborhood. :/"
