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↑ pirate mollie wrote:espy are you buddying me cos i am getting freaking paranoid.

I am reading my recent posts to star and you know what? I haven't been nasty.

star if you were interested in isoing pple you cld have spent your time doing that instead of taking a potshot at me cos I don't want to lynch notty.

Define buddying in this context. I like working with you, but you are not a town read right now.

As for my weekend, I do have things outside of mafia to attend to and when I came back, I just wasn't feeling the catch up game. Needless to say, I did it, though, unlike MattP or Davsto or others who promised to because I know putting my opinions and thoughts out there is most important, especially when I flip town, so that others can go back and read.

↑ Starbuck wrote:

↑ Espeonage wrote:I've always been one for psychological tells and Starbuck here has the knows more/is better attitude that generally goes with informed minority. And the sarcasm is p bad too. Liking mollie more from the exchange. Potentially theater but not going to speculate on that for the moment. Star goes in to null scum pile.

@Star: What part of talking about mollie's talk of a vig is sitting badly with you. It's a role that mollie likes and with the chit chat about it allows her to have a say in how any theoretical vig plays in the night. It impacts night play when otherwise she might not be able to and there is no scum motivation I can see for talking about it. It can even put scum in weird positions where by weird calls makes them keen to not double shoot on someone or other scenarios. The focus from you on it much more offputting.

Psychological tells? Is that a real thing now? I'm not quite sure how I have a "knows more/is better" attitude. I know just as much as Jon Snow knows.

I have been sarcastic, that is true. However, given the amount of pure BS that I've had to deal with from mollie in just this one day, that truly has nothing to do with gameplay, you might have to take it all with a grain of salt, too.


It's not sitting bad with me. I just find it to be odd to be constantly asking to be vigged or nk'd. If she's town, it's essentially playing against her win condition and instead of having some actual conversation, there's a ton of posts of hers asking to be killed. It just doesn't make sense.

Yes it's a thing. It's been one of my ways of reading for a long time. It's an attitude that generally goes with having more knowledge and currently as it is day 1, that generally points to mafia. Later it can be role stuff like where I pegged the FBI agent as SK in Capcom and stuff like that based on word use. But yeah day 1 = mafia generally. The reason you don't see me pushing you is because I like to have other stuff because it is a swingy set of tells.

I'm also not going to discount something because you ask me to. THAT would be playing against my wincon.

Now, I am kinda speaking for mollie here, but this is how I see her play regarding it. It makes sense currently for town her to do it. She is a player that dayplay revolves around as is the case for any emotional player. By calling for vigs and nks on her while she is under pressure creates a bunch of wifom if she town as scum generally want her to be alive, and vig is going to be in a wifom-y position where they would normally be keen to kill her, but less so because she asked for it.

That means that it gives her time to play in to the game which an emotionally driven player needs.

Scum mollie does it because it calls vig off her and gives her a reason to live. Because she is effectively calling a bluff that doesn't exist.

I just like the wifom is creates for night play for a bunch of roles. Because it also means that if scum were wanting to kill her to not give her time to play in to the game, doc is more likely to protect her, so it's again an iffy shot.

And I like night wifom when it hampers scum's decision making. Because it generally puts more pressure on day play which is where scum gets caught in my experience.

↑ Starbuck wrote:As for my weekend, I do have things outside of mafia to attend to and when I came back, I just wasn't feeling the catch up game. Needless to say, I did it, though, unlike MattP or Davsto or others who promised to because I know putting my opinions and thoughts out there is most important, especially when I flip town, so that others can go back and read.

you were around and lurking and taking potshots when you actually decided to post.

its almost like you were waiting for something.

↑ pirate mollie wrote:espy are you buddying me cos i am getting freaking paranoid.

this is neither here nor there...but what exactly does "buddying" mean to you?

↑ Espeonage wrote:

Define buddying in this context. I like working with you, but you are not a town read right now.

LOL..espy appeared to ask the same question (but I imagine for different reasons).

No, I wasn't. It's obvious that you aren't going to believe me either way, so this is just semantics at this point. People do have lives outside of mafia. I mean, shit, I had one for 2 1/2 years outside of this site before I got the inkling to play mafia like 2 weeks ago (due to the lack of games being offered with my View Askew group) and came back.

I'm sorry that I wasn't as timely with my posts as I should have been, but I clearly and concisely explained why it took me a bit longer. I do my catch ups in my old school way, where I keep a Notepad document open and add my thoughts to it, as I read through. Then I copy and paste that over, fix whatever coding issues that I may have fucked up, and post. That's how I do my catch ups. So sometimes I don't have the time to sit down and keep pushing through a catch up, or if I'm like 20+ pages behind (like I was over the weekend), I wait until I can get a little further through before posting a large catch up post. It's just how I do it.

There's no big scheme like you are playing out. I wasn't waiting for anything other than my lack of concentration, and just utter lack of enthusiasm after dealing with the drama from earlier in this day, to subside.

↑ curiouskarmadog wrote:

↑ pirate mollie wrote:espy are you buddying me cos i am getting freaking paranoid.

this is neither here nor there...but what exactly does "buddying" mean to you?

it depends on the answer!

I am good with espy's response right now

Now, if you two are done, can I go back to reading through on mykonian?

↑ Starbuck wrote:

No, I wasn't. It's obvious that you aren't going to believe me either way, so this is just semantics at this point

. People do have lives outside of mafia. I mean, shit, I had one for 2 1/2 years outside of this site before I got the inkling to play mafia like 2 weeks ago (due to the lack of games being offered with my View Askew group) and came back.

I'm sorry that I wasn't as timely with my posts as I should have been, but I clearly and concisely explained why it took me a bit longer. I do my catch ups in my old school way, where I keep a Notepad document open and add my thoughts to it, as I read through. Then I copy and paste that over, fix whatever coding issues that I may have fucked up, and post. That's how I do my catch ups. So sometimes I don't have the time to sit down and keep pushing through a catch up, or if I'm like 20+ pages behind (like I was over the weekend), I wait until I can get a little further through before posting a large catch up post. It's just how I do it.

There's no big scheme like you are playing out. I wasn't waiting for anything other than my lack of concentration, and just utter lack of enthusiasm after dealing with the drama from earlier in this day, to subside.

it isn't semantics when you were online taking potshots at me. you were incredibly timely with those.

did you think I wldn't notice?

Ok we have 22 hours and idk the vote count so MattP needs to claim within the next few hours or everyone should just condense their votes there.

A vote count would also be ideal.

Matt got prodded a day ago.

Viscount incoming in 30 minutes approximately

↑ Spiffeh wrote:Ok we have 22 hours and idk the vote count so MattP needs to claim within the next few hours or everyone should just condense their votes there.

I was going to move back but I think someone said something about an L-1 so I haven't yet. More to do with my town reads town reading myko and less about mattp's play. But yeah, I'll throw my lot in with intent.

You know what I mean.

Away from my laptop so can't do it now

↑ pirate mollie wrote:

↑ Starbuck wrote:

No, I wasn't. It's obvious that you aren't going to believe me either way, so this is just semantics at this point

. People do have lives outside of mafia. I mean, shit, I had one for 2 1/2 years outside of this site before I got the inkling to play mafia like 2 weeks ago (due to the lack of games being offered with my View Askew group) and came back.

I'm sorry that I wasn't as timely with my posts as I should have been, but I clearly and concisely explained why it took me a bit longer. I do my catch ups in my old school way, where I keep a Notepad document open and add my thoughts to it, as I read through. Then I copy and paste that over, fix whatever coding issues that I may have fucked up, and post. That's how I do my catch ups. So sometimes I don't have the time to sit down and keep pushing through a catch up, or if I'm like 20+ pages behind (like I was over the weekend), I wait until I can get a little further through before posting a large catch up post. It's just how I do it.

There's no big scheme like you are playing out. I wasn't waiting for anything other than my lack of concentration, and just utter lack of enthusiasm after dealing with the drama from earlier in this day, to subside.

it isn't semantics when you were online taking potshots at me. you were incredibly timely with those.

did you think I wldn't notice?

You mean, during the same time where I was checking in and posted a number of posts in a row because I noticed something when I was reading through and wanted to address that separately from gameplay?

↑ Starbuck wrote:Goodness, I've felt like davsto in these past few days. Apologies for my lack of input and activity. I hope some other folks got some chat during the mean time.

I won't lie. I became a bit disenfranchised. I started reading through yesterday (Sunday). I got to mollie's olive branch and then to this:

↑ pirate mollie wrote:star - I thought she was scum at first cos of her angles. we tussled. when I went back and reread my posts to see if I had even voted cdb so I cld see wth myko was talking about I noticed that she tried to pit me against both reck and zito by saying that I was insulting them. reck knows I am not homophobic and zito knows that we can always talk about it post game if it was somehow that important. when she got no traction with either of those it became me trying to 1-up her about activism when I wasn't? I extended an olive branch so we will see what comes of it, it cld just be her personality I don't know.

So it seems there is something that I need to make clear. None of what is stated above has ANYTHING to do with the game. I wasn't trying to make traction with either of those things. I was taken aback by the language used and it hasn't nothing to do with my vote and case on mollie, which she still hasn't responded.

The above seems like the clear opposite of an offered olive branch, so I'm not quite sure what to do about this. However, I wanted to note that I just needed to back off from the game in order to get back into a game state of mind and away from the personal side.

↑ Starbuck wrote:In addendum, I'm definitely concerned about the fact that mollie stil hasn't responded to posts that I've made that include nothing but gameplay, but she wants to take every single personal style post and respond to those. I'm not quite sure what she's trying to accomplish here.

↑ Starbuck wrote:No, let's move past the personal stuff, which is what I thought was happening with your olive branch. It's pretty damn selfish of both of us to have taken over the game with that crap, and we quite, literally, stalled it out.

I'll go back through and highlight all my gameplay questions, if you promise to answer them.

↑ Starbuck wrote:

↑ curiouskarmadog wrote:

↑ pirate mollie wrote:
I am very much against a notty wagon and will actively speak against it.

Did you know the sky is blue?

I'm not sure how all of those are pot shots, or that is how that is me coming in and just potshotting you when my last post prior to that was me hoping to catch up on Sunday and the two after are listing my questions in which we discussed in the above and then the opening of my catch up post.

Starbuck what are you trying to accomplish w/ this back and forth (I know it's two-sided but I'm asking you)?

A joke is a joke is a joke, but it isn't a pot shot. Nor is it potshots plural.

↑ pirate mollie wrote:

↑ curiouskarmadog wrote:

↑ pirate mollie wrote:espy are you buddying me cos i am getting freaking paranoid.

this is neither here nor there...but what exactly does "buddying" mean to you?

it depends on the answer!

I am good with espy's response right now

I am confused, how do you define buddying?

↑ Spiffeh wrote:Starbuck what are you trying to accomplish w/ this back and forth (I know it's two-sided but I'm asking you)?

I'm having some accusations thrown my way to which I am explaining my side. Espy's jump into it is pretty odd, especially this psychological tell thing. Up until this thing about potshots, though, I did feel it was important to respond as per gameplay and information for everyone else.

↑ Starbuck wrote:For the betterment of this game, because I'm sure it got lost in one of my bigger posts, I really wish Davsto would replace out for someone who will actually contribute.

↑ Starbuck wrote:For the betterment of this game, because I'm sure it got lost in one of my bigger posts, I really wish Davsto would replace out for someone who will actually contribute.

↑ Starbuck wrote:I was trying to read through everything that happened with SC, and I just got completely lost. Could someone give a decent summary of it?

↑ Starbuck wrote:Fell behind a bit. Getting ready for a FIRST Tech Challenge robotics meet tomorrow, so best chance for some catch up is tomorrow night.

↑ Starbuck wrote:

@Mod: You haven't changed the deadline time in vote count posts since the start of the game.

↑ Starbuck wrote:Finally at my desktop and working through what I missed.

my bad. you started mid week.

↑ Spiffeh wrote:Starbuck what are you trying to accomplish w/ this back and forth (I know it's two-sided but I'm asking you)?

you are quick to give up on mollie.

Also as long as they stay away from the eyes, they can spend their energy. Hairs grow back.

So wait, the fact that I had priorities outside of the game, but still managed to come back and contribute before the end of the day and give detailed posts that contain my opinions on what I've seen and how I feel stand for nothing? But yet, there's plenty of folks who aren't making an effort and just sliding by? How does that make sense? I signed up for a game and I made a commitment to play. Here I am, doing that. I don't really understand this angle.

Or are you just attacking me for not catching up when you thought I should have when I do have responsibilities and priorities, including spending some time with my husband on Sunday because he works out of town all week and the weekends are the only time that I see him? Not trying to bring any AtE into this situation, I don't want pity, but this line of attack is beyond ridiculous.

Mykonian! What say you?

Can you expound upon your reads? What are your current thoughts on the game state?

I'm just a VT

Sorry for not being more into the game