I know Podoboq's case.
I'm ignoring Transcend's vote because he's most probably scum, especially after the Day2 flip.
Persivul, why are you voting for me?
Gunna stick with this. I think a mass claim might be good, although not getting a cop guilty in this setup is pretty rough. It will narrow our pool down though.
What's the point of the VCA? Looks like cakez parked for long periods, then hopped opportunistically toward the end. Is that it , or is there something else?
Well I don't know if I'll get anything useful from it until after I do it...
I was looking to see who hangs around the large wagons that look like they might go through and which wagons don't seem to get much momentum. I will redo it at some point with new confirmed flips. Penguin actually stood out to me, but I didn't have a chance to go back and actually look at the votes I found questionable.
Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2016 1:32 am
by Transcend
you do realize if cakez flips green, like i expect, i'm just going to get turbo'd in mylo. so imo either lynch me or someone i fos today. i'd rather lose the game on my own fault rather than the fault of others.
You're in my lynch group for today, and you're hiding out.
Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2016 1:44 am
by karnos
Ugh, the votes, they are everywhere. I'm kinda curious what ranger is thinking. But her wording rubs me the wrong way a bit, as it strongly reminds me of the scum!ranger of open 644.
Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2016 1:47 am
by karnos
In post 1654, Ranger wrote:For the record:
There are thoughts I am, very deliberately, holding back from giving.
I actually am playing sub-optimally right now because of it, because I think that there's a huge payoff if I time things right.
This is very reminiscent of this post from scum!Ranger in a completed game: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 6#p7993356
"The only explanation I'm holding back on is an explanation which once I give, will absolutely dominate the game.
I don't want to give that yet." - Ranger
Yet, I can't deny that holstering on n1 would be incredibly risky for scum, so I am not about to jump out and call ranger scum because of this odd similarity in posting style. However, I would feel terrible if I kept this to myself and ranger did end up flipping scum in the end, so I need to least put it out here and see what the rest of you think of it.
Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2016 1:56 am
by Persivul
Ranger gets all dramatic as town, too. We need to lynch in the unclaimed pool today. If we're unsuccessful claimants can be on the table tomorrow. Part of the point of this setup is to use claims to narrow down the lynch pool.
Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2016 2:07 am
by Chip Butty
In post 1682, Persivul wrote:We need to lynch in the unclaimed pool today. If we're unsuccessful claimants can be on the table tomorrow. Part of the point of this setup is to use claims to narrow down the lynch pool.
That doesn't make sense. Unclaimed just tend to be the players with PRs later in the game. Anyone, Town or scum, is going to claim under pressure. So in the end there will be no unclaimed to lynch. And we don't necessarily want to force claims in advance, even just Cop/Doc without giving night, because it makes it easy for scum to pick off the remaining cops who haven't yet used their powers, given that their is no guaranteed Doc coverage on any given night.
Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2016 2:14 am
by karnos
Damnit, we need to make some progress and consolidate votes.
I think we just need to get claims out from the remaining players.
VOTE: Aneninen You are the first in line. Please claim your role. You can keep the night to yourself, as randomly generated nights can be duplicated.
Also, pick whether you want sircakez or persivul to claim next.
Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2016 2:30 am
by Persivul
In post 1683, Chip Butty wrote:That doesn't make sense. Unclaimed just tend to be the players with PRs later in the game. Anyone, Town or scum, is going to claim under pressure. So in the end there will be no unclaimed to lynch. And we don't necessarily want to force claims in advance, even just Cop/Doc without giving night, because it makes it easy for scum to pick off the remaining cops who haven't yet used their powers, given that their is no guaranteed Doc coverage on any given night.
I'm not going into every detail in every post I make about this. You need to follow along. When I say claimed here, I'm speaking of people who have claimed
with a result
, and the
objects of those results
.
I don't really give a shit that penguin claimed N3 doc or podo claimed N5 cop. You're correct that, by themselves, those are meaningless. However, I do care that others have claimed to have innos on those two.
I give a cop claim with a result some respect because it's against scum's interest to produce conftowns.
I generally wouldn't give a doc protection claim any weight, but on a night with no kill, as with Ranger/Murdercat, it gets some respect.
I don't give chip's N2 doc claim any weight, because there was a kill. In fact, his claim goes against him, as MC was a ridiculous target when we had two cop claims for than night.
Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2016 2:31 am
by Persivul
mod, can we get a vc?
Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2016 2:46 am
by PenguinPower
Alright, I can get on board with claims from the unclaimed.
VOTE: Aneninen
L-1, I believe.
Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2016 3:03 am
by Persivul
We're not voting to get claims. If we want to massclaim we decide that separately.
Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2016 3:30 am
by SirCakez
Persivul your reasoning for that is very weak. Claiming Cop, especially in Transcend's situation, isn't indicative of town. And don't forget he CCed now confirmed town.
If you've ever heard of the phrase Christmas in July, it literally applies right now.
Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2016 3:53 am
by Transcend
In post 1675, Aneninen wrote:I know Podoboq's case.
I'm ignoring Transcend's vote because he's most probably scum, especially after the Day2 flip.
Persivul, why are you voting for me?
In post 680, Aneninen wrote:Oh wait, that's the point when I'm appearing right after a hammer and look scummy because of that.
And noone will believe that it's a coincidence. (However, it is.)
As always, I'm open for investigation at Night. And for Nightkill, too. Perhaps the latter one.
Scummies, I'm helping:
Nightkill: Aneninen
You only have to copy/paste it into your QT. It takes less time than deciding what to do.
Deal?
Lol
Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2016 3:55 am
by Transcend
What's funny is this dude thinks he's obv town in 680 yet gives a shitty come back post like 1675.
680 is lamist, 1675 is just down right scum telling.
Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2016 3:55 am
by Persivul
That? Seriously? What makes more sense:
- He didn't understand that in this setup there can be multiple cops on a night; or
- He's scum and was doing the exact opposite of what he should do, i.e. offering a 1 for 1 trade.
If this is what cakez is pushing, he should be lynched. He knows better.
Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2016 3:56 am
by Transcend
It's literally chip anen and ranger lol. Anen is the most obv scum of the batch.