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In post 1675, pinturicchio wrote:I'm sorry, I'll catch up quickly. I read all posts without really concentrating on them. I only remember something skitter said that pinged me like hell, but something that could prove town!skitter and that's fucking me up

In post 1672, Scioness Sajj wrote:Claiming VT as scum doesn't expose you to cc at all period

Pr shouldn't fake claim idk why do you think they do

In post 1673, ruru wrote:NSG, what made you scumread me and skitter?

In post 1669, ruru wrote:Okay here's my take on plausible scumteams. I'd rather not exclude half the players from consideration though

Oxy+skitter: don't think so
Oxy+SS: don't think so
Oxy+pin: less likely
Oxy+ofrhz: plausible
Oxy+NSG: plausible¹

skitter+SS: plausible²
skitter+pin: less likely
skitter+ofrhz: somewhat less likely³
skitter+NSG: plausible¹

SS+pin: less likely
SS+ofrhz: plausible
SS+NSG: somewhat less likely⁴

pin+ofrhz: somewhat less likely⁵
pin+NSG: plausible

ofrhz+NSG: plausible

¹I can totally see scum bussing their partner on day 1 for active lurking, not reading the thread, etc. NSG is "fine" with the skitter wagon today, but she isn't voting on it despite scumreading skitter. NSG's day 1 vote on Oxy also seems non-indicative to me.

²Even if they're defending each other, maybe they think it will help them lynch town today. It gets kind of WIFOMy and I'm not sure if playing this way is really that risky compared to the alternatives. They could plan to lynch me/Oxy today, bus each other tomorrow, and it would be lylo on day 4. If everyone is saying that they wouldn't play this way because one red flip incriminates the other, then, well, it doesn't. Also this gets a lot more weight than it would otherwise because I think they're more individually scummy than the others.

³SS townreads skitter, NSG like never votes, and based on his own posts about me I think ofrhz knows I wouldn't hammer skitter in this situation. So she was very likely not getting lynched and he may have known it. Actually probably super +EV for this scumteam for him to vote if they thought it out like that considering the worst case is probably ofrhz goes to lylo with towncred. The only reason I see this as somewhat less likely at this point is that it requires them to think of and agree with the ideas that I'm mentioning here

⁴There's a possibility that crossed my mind that NSG is constantly AFK in daytalk and SS was recently yelling at her trying to get her attention. I read a game elsewhere once where one of the scums was trying hard in daytalk to coordinate things and his team was just not reading it. This would make 1371 740 etc. read differently.

⁵One possible explanation for the wagon on me is that they wanted to PR hunt and they were convinced that skitter and Drixx were both VT (note 981 was also made before these votes). Also notable that pin's entrance where he sussed Oxy+ofrhz+me and wanted to lynch Oxy first would lead to lynching me and not ofrhz if Oxy flips green.

In post 1678, Scioness Sajj wrote:Nsg yeah I know that wasn't my point/how I understood ruru

In post 1671, ruru wrote:

In post 1665, northsidegal wrote:

In post 1659, Oxy wrote:soft vt claim was 914 At the time she had 2 votes on her, and her wagon never got past L-2, once with pin, oxy, mathdino on the wagon, and once with oxy, pin, ruru, and then again with oxy, ruru, pin after pin's wagon hop.

Why does it matter?

My initial sense was that an earlier vt claim would've been a play for the towniness of that claim to not get skitter lynched in the first place, whereas an L1 vt claim would be far more towny. Wondering if my intuition is correct there / how much we can trust the claim to be towny.

This is how I see it also, especially considering soft claiming VT at L-2 doesn't expose scum!skitter to CCs. Like VT, PR, and scum should probably all make that play I think?

In post 1668, Scioness Sajj wrote:

In post 1653, ruru wrote:

In post 1569, Scioness Sajj wrote:

In post 438, Scioness Sajj wrote:I had no problem following Drixx's thoughts in 254 and I think Oxy took it out of the context/misread it and ofrhz panicked? I didn't like his reaction to the posts connecting him with Oxy (on which he has a townlean/townread? i'm not sure) and he went with some posts that were putting you in the spotlight (pin had his scum pool {you, oxy, ofrhz}) and he quoted 268 yet he didn't really find a reason to interact with you all this time? Seems like distracting in a way 'look at her she is scummy, not at me'.

I will add more on this when I will get to catching up and answering things from last night.

Do you mind also answering:


1. What made you suspect Oxy+ofrhz?
2. What did Drixx's post mean to you?

i sort of do. answers to both questions are in my iso that you have been allegedly reading

1. this have been talked about in detail. a whole convo between me and ofrhz. also the answer to this in the quoted post.
summary: ofrhz reaction to said post and the way he was talking to me earlier

2. if you are asking how I understood it, it has also be answered by me. someone connecting them at the hip was pintu and the rest is pretty self explanatory I believe.

In post 254, Drixx wrote:If Ofrhz is scum, then Oxy almost certainly is. That was a pretty blatant post connecting them at the hip.

I suppose it could be an intentional fake out... but that would require a tremendous level of self awareness to realize how he would react if he was paired with Oxy and someone pointed it out and then actually react exactly that way and hit all the right notes.

will you answer that one question I have asked you about NSG? or if you don't like it just share your read on NSG, thanks.

In post 1651, ofrhz wrote:She thinks you had a real incentive to target Mathdino last night. Because Mathdino had singled you out as the next player to lynch.

In post 1651, ofrhz wrote:it boils down into not always starting threads of conversation unless she's directly asked or engaged
- 1409 is a great recent example - pin has ruru as #1 scum, and her response is just like "I don't agree but ok." This is similar to how she reacted D1 when I voted for her for the 2nd time.

People have found ruru scummy for how she reacted to my vote earlier, so if she were scum, I feel like she would've changed her reaction in 1409 to avoid further suspicion and engaged with pin there. But she didn't, and this consistency makes me think this is part of her personality.

In post 1684, Scioness Sajj wrote:the one you've missed or dodged.

you had a read D1, though. what has chnaged? give me an explanation why you don't have a read on her

In post 1686, ruru wrote:

In post 1684, Scioness Sajj wrote:the one you've missed or dodged.

Umm, can you not? Everyone else links posts that were missed, you can too.

In post 1686, ruru wrote:

you had a read D1, though. what has changed? give me an explanation why you don't have a read on her

I thought her early d1 was contentless, and I wanted her to read the game and post, but apparently she just doesn't want to read the game and nothing's going to change that, which seems like a losing strategy for both town and scum? So I don't know

In post 1687, Scioness Sajj wrote:well, instead of posting asking me to elaborate on my explanation to the drixx's post you ask me to repeat myself on the problem itself, which is designed to fail because if I have explained something and it was understood I will explain it in the same way it was explained before. i.e. if you didn't understand it from my iso the first time around you won't understand it now. so you are either forcing me to repeat myself for the sake of repeating myself or didn't read my iso.

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