In post 1674, Gustavo wrote:Really hate when people say they are going to do stuff instead of actually doing it.
I re-read stungun's post last night:
In post 828, stungun0404 wrote:I feel like there’s way too much thread spamming going on,
whoever is town should really consider posting less content because there’s way too much unnecessary content being posted in the thread
, and it can’t all be from scum. Further, the content is distracting from catching scum.
I think I didn't help enough as I should D1 looking at my postcount. Now I'm going to try keep things short, concise and clear with my observations/reads. There will unlikely be any unnecessary/NAI posts like this anymore. I'll look at your vote of me later D2, which is admittedly surprising (in relation to the strength of the reads you have expressed so far).
Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2018 4:03 am
by Gustavo
Again. Stop saying what you’re going to do instead of doing stuff. There is literally no point in making a post telling us what you’re going to do. It serves no purpose.
It’s basically “hey guys. I’m going to do some really pro-town stuff later. I just want everyone to know about it” it’s garbage. Go do it and stfu until it’s done
Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2018 4:05 am
by Gustavo
In post 1675, Keyser Söze wrote:There will unlikely be any unnecessary/NAI posts like this anymore.
You just made 2 of them.
Hey guys I’m making an unnecessary post here just to tell you I’m not going yon be making any unnecessary posts.
It’s fucking lamist to the millionth degree. It sucks and serves no purpose other than to make yourself look like you’re going to be protown at some point
Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2018 4:25 am
by Gustavo
I still personally think sho is scum but if I’m all alone I’m not wasting anymore time pushing it. Skittle is scummy also. Bernie’s weird hammer looks bad also. I don’t remember my day 1 read of keyser was but his day 2 gut pings me hard. These mom votes also ping me.
In post 1667, Nauci wrote:Irrelephant, after all we learned from teh newbie game, why do you still think that wagon analysis has credence? What are you basing it on? Hunch? Statistics? Why is on/off wagon such an important measure to you? Does the VT flip factor into it? How?
But wait, if you think VCA is so useless, what is this for??? Sounds like you're admitting it's just LAMIST
In post 1644, Nauci wrote:Speaking of which, Keyser's vote wasn't reflected in the final vote counter.
I just finished updating mine. I messed up a thing and the first 3 votes weren't showing up but it's fixed now.
Wagon on/off is a small subset of vote patterns and behavior. Seeing who has pushed/voted for people throughout the game is very important.
I think declaring the number of scum you think were on/off the wagon is like looking at a bunch of stars and going into astrology instead of astronomy. It's important to look at who voted and what their reasons were, and who didn't vote and what their reasons were. While it's often true that some scum are on and some are off the wagon, there's really no reason to assume that. Weren't we both off wagon for the JB lynch?
Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2018 5:31 am
by Nauci
@brass I unofficially got chu fam
mmk class time peace y'all
Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2018 5:36 am
by Irrelephant11
No, I helped lynch JB, and you helped lynch Thor, and both our slots lynched Flicker.
It's not "astrology", because I'm including:
1. how nearly impossible it is for 7/10 town to vote one of the other two town without a single scum vote
2. Scum incentive to vote town
3. That weird lull in voting and talking while the wagon was on Gamma that made me think he was scum but instead it now seems more likely that scum was waiting for us to make that mistake
4. There are 5 non-Gamma players off-wagon and 7 on wagon, meaning it's already +rand that there are more scum on wagon than off
5. Scum incentive to not all vote in the same place.
I'm obviously not going to vote someone I townread because of VCA, especially because most of these players seems smart enough to mess with VCA at least a little as scum. But vca is a helpful tool and it is honestly just very likely that I'm write about the 2/1 split, with a possible exception in the case of lurky scum
Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2018 5:37 am
by Irrelephant11
EBWOP: "one of the other
three
town"
Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2018 5:41 am
by Nauci
(Irrelephant it would be nicer if I didn't have to come after you to get posts like these!)
Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2018 5:46 am
by Irrelephant11
Lol it would be nicer if you would just know I’m town and believe the things I say
But I guess I could write out my thought process in full more often, when that’s helpful
Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2018 6:14 am
by Nauci
In post 1686, Irrelephant11 wrote:Lol it would be nicer if you would just know I’m town and believe the things I say
But I guess I could write out my thought process in full more often, when that’s helpful
Actually it wouldn't be nicer >:C
It's nicer for everytown involved if you continue to write out these thought processes regardless of how much I think you're dirty dirty scum
Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2018 6:24 am
by Irrelephant11
For me it would be
Sometimes thought processes seem self-evident to me, so I don't share them. More words for the sake of more words isn't helpful. I hated writing out every step in math class when I was sure the teacher knew what I meant. But yes, I'm probably underestimating how often my thought processes are helpful, so I'll include those more often.
In post 1648, Nauci wrote:Can you explain what you meant by refusing to post justifications (about gamma potential partners) day 1? Is it that justify and explain mean different things to you?
Yes and yes.
Okay, follow up: what does justification mean to you?
How does this question help you sort Shoshin?
Also @anyone with experience: is there
precedent
president for there to be > or < than 3 scum in a 13 player mini theme? Like does that happen often/happen in other brassherald games?
scummy off the wagon are skitter and momrangal but I'd have to read on how they interacted with Gamma prior for specific scumminess related to being off the wagon
yes, please do so and elaborate
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In post 1667, Nauci wrote:You guys have got to stop town reading math
He's promised to come back and post several times, but I'm pretty sure every time he glances over, he sees that people are oddly town reading him and decides lol I can only make it worse by posting and fucks back off
I know because I suck at scumming and that was basically how I did it. And because Math repeatedly professes to suck at being scum.
i'm not townreading him; he's hard null; i can't imagine that he's decided to stop posting everywhere on-site in order to win this game as scum; it's just not something i see him doing like ever
i think he's just busy irl
pressuring him when he isn't here to see it doesn't do anything and won't get him to post content, and brass said he'll replace him in the next couple of days if he doesn't come back
pushing him is a waste of your vote because if he's literally not here and doesn't see it voting him won't make him do anything. like that isn't an effective solution to this problem
the way i pointed out all the problems you have with her play yesterday and you ignored them because she was on your highest tier of townreads, which you couldn't actually justify when prodded to do so
i'm slightly worried that both you and bernie jumped on her today and it makes me wonder if she's either the designated mislynch or the designated bus, although your pair of votes does seem to be indicative that the two of you (bernie and irrelephant) are probably not partners
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In post 1683, Irrelephant11 wrote:But vca is a helpful tool and it is honestly just very likely that I'm write about the 2/1 split, with a possible exception in the case of lurky scum
there's almost for sure at least one scum on the wagon, and i doubt all three of them are on it
i really have no way of pinning down whether it's one or two at this time
In post 1621, brassherald wrote:Gamma Emerald(7) ~ Mathdino, Shoshin, Not_Mafia, Gustavo, the worst, Irrelephant11, Bernie Sanders
Momrangal(2) ~
although if i actual look at this and color in the flips and me it's indicative that if there's two off it's one of {errant/nauci} and one of {keyser/ mom} (ignoring my own personal reads + the fact that i don't think two scum were sitting on bernie at eod)
if we factor in my reads it points to mom + errant i think given town!nauci and scum!mom
that's my most likely guess if there's two off.
Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2018 6:28 am
by skitter30
In post 1688, Irrelephant11 wrote:Also @anyone with experience: is there precedent president for there to be > or < than 3 scum in a 13 player mini theme? Like does that happen often/happen in other brassherald games?
this is brass's first mini theme game so no mod precedent; there is precedent for !3 scum in mini themes but he said he made it as normal as possible which is indicative of standard 10:3; i wouldn't be surprised if there was an sk or something but the lack of a flip last night is indicative of there not being one
Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2018 6:32 am
by skitter30
In post 1670, Irrelephant11 wrote:Sorry, what part are we scumreading here? The way I'm voting your scumread? Or the way my read on Mom changed to match new information? (Or some third option, don't let me box you in)
In post 1689, skitter30 wrote:the way i pointed out all the problems you have with her play yesterday and you ignored them because she was on your highest tier of townreads, which you couldn't actually justify when prodded to do so
i'm slightly worried that both you and bernie jumped on her today and it makes me wonder if she's either the designated mislynch or the designated bus, although your pair of votes does seem to be indicative that the two of you (bernie and irrelephant) are probably not partners
this was meant to be a response to the above quote; i put a quote by duckling there instead
Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2018 6:45 am
by Irrelephant11
Actually given that she's V/LA till the 9th (wow) I'd say it means she's the designated vote-for-people-not-paying-enough-attention
I'll come back to her later
VOTE: Not_Mafia
Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2018 7:01 am
by brassherald
Note that VLA does not mean the person is allowed to not post at all, I simply move their prod time to 3 days rather than 2.
Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2018 8:50 am
by Shoshin
Gustavo, didn't you say I was scum yesterday? Why are you voting the same guy as me today?
Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2018 8:51 am
by Shoshin
VOTE: Gustavo
Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2018 9:20 am
by Gustavo
Didn’t realize you were voting Keyser.
Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2018 9:22 am
by Gustavo
Like if you actually read my posts you’d know my vote has absolutely nothing to do with you voting him.
Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2018 10:00 am
by Irrelephant11
So my head says scum are Not_Mafia, Mom, and the worst, but my heart says it's Gustavo, Nauci, and mathdino. These are not team speculations idk about associatives atm these are just who I think is scummy depending on what I listen to
Probably shouldn't listen to my gut though
Spoiler:
with that I'm low activity for the weekend ttyl
Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2018 11:00 am
by Shoshin
Irrelephant, what happened to your scumread on Key?
