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Posted: Tue Jun 04, 2019 11:08 am
by MaryJoLisa
Yes. I hate doing it, though.

Posted: Tue Jun 04, 2019 11:09 am
by Not_Mafia
This flips scum, it's obvious

Posted: Tue Jun 04, 2019 11:10 am
by Vorkuta
In post 1676, Not_Mafia wrote:This flips scum, it's obvious
So- is MJL conf!town for hammering said fellow scum, or just bussing?

Posted: Tue Jun 04, 2019 11:14 am
by MaryJoLisa
There was enough evidence to hammer. Enough people who understand how these games are constructed weren't buying his UB claim. PenguinPower said there's like a 1.4% chance of a UB being in the game.

There's a point where I have to defer to other people's logic. I'm really sorry if he flips green, though.

Posted: Tue Jun 04, 2019 11:16 am
by Not_Mafia
In post 1677, Vorkuta wrote:
In post 1676, Not_Mafia wrote:This flips scum, it's obvious
So- is MJL conf!town for hammering said fellow scum, or just bussing?
I can see TingTing bussing but her post-hammer reactions seemed very genuine, looking more at Gibberish and Bon Jovi

Posted: Tue Jun 04, 2019 11:23 am
by Vorkuta
MJL it's alright, no one is going to demand justification or whatever regardless of the flip-
I'm slightly butthurt because I wanted the actual hammer and I like playing it close to the deadline but *shrugs*- what's done is done.
Also nom x3 is going to be annoying about it as a result which does not make my heart leap with joy.

@N_M
Kindly please confirm whether you mean Psyche & LUV or whether we completely suck at interpreting your nicknames for us.
Also macabre does/did it better

Posted: Tue Jun 04, 2019 11:25 am
by Not_Mafia
I don't mean those people no

Posted: Tue Jun 04, 2019 11:42 am
by Performer
In post 1672, chennisden wrote:
In post 1625, MaryJoLisa wrote:Pikachu, you're not going to survive the day. I hate hammering. It gives me anxiety. *For real, it gives me anxiety.* Can you please go ahead and hammer yourself if you're scum?
gross as fuck, scum never self hammers upon town request

seems fake too

the "don't blame me when DP flips town" also spews tmi like

we had time to do another wagon

also, her progression feels fake and unnatural.
Time to do another wagon like me, who you were still voting iirc? :igmeou: Not even sure what you mean by me approaching your slot with good faith. If this meant I was not stubbornly writing you off as scum , well, I'm just not a stubborn person and was willing to reevaluate.

Posted: Tue Jun 04, 2019 11:59 am
by schadd_
In post 1665, chennisden wrote:i like that performer, schadd, and psyche are willing to approach my slot in good faith
itd be cool if you approached other slots in like any kind of faith
In post 1678, MaryJoLisa wrote:PenguinPower said there's like a 1.4% chance of a UB being in the game.
keep in mind this doesn't map to a 1.4% chance of dp being town - you'd have to come up with an estimate for how often he would claim it as scum (say, 2%) and conclude that the probability it comes from scum is (2%) / (2% + 1.4%) = 60% ish. like 2-shot fruit vendor has never occurred in a normal game but you wouldn't just lynch the slot automatically if somebody claimed it

Posted: Tue Jun 04, 2019 12:04 pm
by MaryJoLisa
In post 1683, schadd_ wrote: keep in mind this doesn't map to a 1.4% chance of dp being town - you'd have to come up with an estimate for how often he would claim it as scum (say, 2%) and conclude that the probability it comes from scum is (2%) / (2% + 1.4%) = 60% ish. like 2-shot fruit vendor has never occurred in a normal game but you wouldn't just lynch the slot automatically if somebody claimed it
He was asked to clarify his PR claim and he did not.

Posted: Tue Jun 04, 2019 12:08 pm
by Vorkuta
Technically he posted a picture of a crying pikachu

Posted: Tue Jun 04, 2019 12:52 pm
by PenguinPower
In post 1678, MaryJoLisa wrote:There was enough evidence to hammer. Enough people who understand how these games are constructed weren't buying his UB claim. PenguinPower said there's like a 1.4% chance of a UB being in the game.
I did not.
In post 959, PenguinPower wrote:Based on historical records 1.5% of the Mini Normal games since 1401 had a Town Universal Backup or Town Universal Backup + some other role/modifier.

That said - using past setups to guess at the current setup isn't necessarily a good thing to do and why are you asking me what the likelihood is?
I gave you a percentage of past games and explicitly said using past games to guess the current setup was necessarily a good thing to do.

Posted: Tue Jun 04, 2019 12:54 pm
by Vorkuta
In post 1686, PenguinPower wrote:guess the current setup
was
wasn't
necessarily
FTFY

She just interpreted your numbers and post differently.
Either way I intented so there's no need to pressure her for the hammer.

Also I like the deadline dance

Posted: Tue Jun 04, 2019 2:13 pm
by MaryJoLisa
In post 1686, PenguinPower wrote:
In post 1678, MaryJoLisa wrote:There was enough evidence to hammer. Enough people who understand how these games are constructed weren't buying his UB claim. PenguinPower said there's like a 1.4% chance of a UB being in the game.
I did not.
In post 959, PenguinPower wrote:Based on historical records 1.5% of the Mini Normal games since 1401 had a Town Universal Backup or Town Universal Backup + some other role/modifier.

That said - using past setups to guess at the current setup isn't necessarily a good thing to do and why are you asking me what the likelihood is?
I gave you a percentage of past games and explicitly said using past games to guess the current setup was necessarily a good thing to do.
I understood that even if I didn't enunciate it that way. I understand that a game designer selects roles deliberately to craft a specific experience; they do not draw randomly from a bank. I took it to mean that this is not a likely role at all.

Look, I evaluated the conditions, I felt like this was a good shot, all the hammering conditions were met, so I pulled the trigger. That's it. If I fucked up, I'll eat it next day phase if I live that long

Posted: Tue Jun 04, 2019 2:14 pm
by PenguinPower
I wasn't being accusatory - I was clarifying what I said.

Flip hasn't even happened yet...

Posted: Tue Jun 04, 2019 2:26 pm
by Psyche
feel like only scum would be helped if i didn't underscore that schadd claimed a pr earlier

Posted: Tue Jun 04, 2019 2:41 pm
by schadd_
what

also underscore lol

Posted: Tue Jun 04, 2019 2:45 pm
by schadd_
oh i guess

Posted: Tue Jun 04, 2019 2:45 pm
by Vorkuta
In post 1690, Psyche wrote:that schadd claimed a pr earlier
Kindly provide quotes as his ISO doesn't give me anything explicit please and thank you
Unless you're trying to bait out the NK on him and that's just ugly

Posted: Tue Jun 04, 2019 3:12 pm
by Performer
In post 1687, Vorkuta wrote:Also I like the deadline dance
What specifically about the "deadline dance" do you like?
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also can we not paint targets on people's backs either directly or indirectly...especially if they turn out to be prs

Posted: Tue Jun 04, 2019 3:15 pm
by Vorkuta
In post 1694, Performer wrote:What specifically about the "deadline dance" do you like?
The game of 'chicken' and 'what will happen' and 'will they or won't they'?

Also as I mentioned- the quality of discussion before and after the hammer is different.

Posted: Tue Jun 04, 2019 3:15 pm
by PenguinPower
I really hate twilight...and this is a substantial one.

Posted: Tue Jun 04, 2019 3:17 pm
by schadd_
In post 1694, Performer wrote:also can we not paint targets on people's backs either directly or indirectly...especially if they turn out to be prs
Image
In post 1696, PenguinPower wrote:I really hate twilight...and this is a substantial one.
its just a book dude

Posted: Tue Jun 04, 2019 3:17 pm
by chennisden
!!!

Posted: Tue Jun 04, 2019 3:18 pm
by chennisden
i was really hoping for this to end soon