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Posted: Tue May 12, 2020 6:29 am
by Klick
Votecount 4.3


bob3141 (1): Adorable
Adorable (1): bob3141
LuckyLuciano (1): Wake88
profii (0):
Wake88 (0):
clidd (0):
Morning Tweet (0):

Not Voting: profii, LuckyLuciano, clidd, Morning Tweet

With
7
alive, it takes
4
to lynch.

The day will end in (expired on 2020-05-19 22:00:00).

Posted: Tue May 12, 2020 10:00 am
by clidd
I'm back, reading soon.

Posted: Tue May 12, 2020 10:03 am
by clidd
These intersections of Wake x Luciano and Adorable x Bob are not TvT in my perception.

Posted: Tue May 12, 2020 10:04 am
by clidd
In post 1601, profii wrote:How long do we go round in the wifom circle of

Babysitter claim could be scum

If scum, babysitter remains alive
If babysitter claim lives, scum want us to lynch
Where are you ?

Posted: Tue May 12, 2020 10:10 am
by clidd
Luciano seems to have given up on the game. I expected an analysis of him at this point.

Posted: Tue May 12, 2020 10:40 am
by Morning Tweet
it's probable that either A.) bob is scum with lucky or B.) adorable is scum with profii.

what do you think of the possibility both scum is in the VTs, clidd? If so, i think that makes bob town

Posted: Tue May 12, 2020 10:52 am
by clidd
I find it difficult, it is not normal that there are so many crosses. My current guess is alternative A, considering that Luciano is very apathetic to what I expected from Town!Luciano.

Posted: Tue May 12, 2020 4:20 pm
by clidd
Luciano, you have 24 to towntell or I'll advocate a flash-lynch on you.

Posted: Wed May 13, 2020 12:30 am
by Wake1
I think lynching Lucky/Dave slot is the best idea currently.

Who else was off the Chemist wagon and on the two following mislynches?

Posted: Wed May 13, 2020 6:55 am
by bob3141
Too any wanting the dave /lucky slot.

Can you explain the missing town power if one of either dave, tweet or wake are scum.

Posted: Wed May 13, 2020 6:59 am
by LuckyLuciano
If it isn't the case that both Wake and I are town, why did mafia have a jailkeeper?

Posted: Wed May 13, 2020 7:00 am
by LuckyLuciano
A 1x one at that. In other words, there is a scenario where mafia can be expected to optimally time the use of their jail. What is that scenario, if not to jail one of us and kill the other?

Posted: Wed May 13, 2020 10:58 am
by clidd
In post 1685, LuckyLuciano wrote:If it isn't the case that both Wake and I are town, why did mafia have a jailkeeper?
Hum.

Posted: Wed May 13, 2020 11:03 am
by Adorable
In post 1680, Morning Tweet wrote:it's probable that either A.) bob is scum with lucky or B.) adorable is scum with profii.

what do you think of the possibility both scum is in the VTs, clidd? If so, i think that makes bob town
So it's either pr + vt or it's bob + profii. I find it interesting bob and profii are not interacting with each other and bob votes me instead of profii.

Posted: Wed May 13, 2020 11:06 am
by clidd
In post 1686, LuckyLuciano wrote:A 1x one at that. In other words, there is a scenario where mafia can be expected to optimally time the use of their jail. What is that scenario, if not to jail one of us and kill the other?
Can anyone with mechanical knowledge give an opinion on this ?

Posted: Wed May 13, 2020 11:23 am
by LuckyLuciano
@Everyone, why is nobody suspecting Clidd of being mafia? I'm not asking because I think he's mafia, but because I haven't seen him popping up in recent PoEs.

@Clidd, mafia had a jailkeeper for a reason. It's not for the ascetic. It's not for the neighborizer. If I am town and Wake is not, then the only purpose of the jailkeeper is to prevent me from protecting someone. That doesn't make sense, because they can kill me to kill my protect target. If Wake is town and I am not, the only possible use of the jail is to jail Wake and kill his watch target. However, if they know Wake is watcher (they are using their 1x jail on him in this scenario after all), why not just kill him? Jailkeeper only makes sense if Wake and I are both town.

Posted: Wed May 13, 2020 11:36 am
by clidd
In post 1690, LuckyLuciano wrote:@Everyone, why is nobody suspecting Clidd of being mafia? I'm not asking because I think he's mafia, but because I haven't seen him popping up in recent PoEs.

@Clidd, mafia had a jailkeeper for a reason. It's not for the ascetic. It's not for the neighborizer. If I am town and Wake is not, then the only purpose of the jailkeeper is to prevent me from protecting someone. That doesn't make sense, because they can kill me to kill my protect target. If Wake is town and I am not, the only possible use of the jail is to jail Wake and kill his watch target. However, if they know Wake is watcher (they are using their 1x jail on him in this scenario after all), why not just kill him? Jailkeeper only makes sense if Wake and I are both town.
Makes sense. But if this is true, why it wasn't mentioned at any point in the game ?

Posted: Wed May 13, 2020 11:38 am
by LuckyLuciano
Does the time at which it is mentioned have an effect on its truth value?

Posted: Wed May 13, 2020 11:45 am
by LuckyLuciano
In post 1682, clidd wrote:Luciano, you have 24 to towntell or I'll advocate a flash-lynch on you.
For the record, BoP is stupid and not a way to motivate me.

Posted: Wed May 13, 2020 12:07 pm
by clidd
In post 1692, LuckyLuciano wrote:Does the time at which it is mentioned have an effect on its truth value?
It depends on the perspective that you managed to get at that observation. But as it is something public (Chemist's role), I assume that maybe we didn't pay attention to it.

Posted: Wed May 13, 2020 12:09 pm
by clidd
In post 1693, LuckyLuciano wrote:
In post 1682, clidd wrote:Luciano, you have 24 to towntell or I'll advocate a flash-lynch on you.
For the record, BoP is stupid and not a way to motivate me.
I would say it's more like
"start playing like Town!Luciano''
.

Posted: Wed May 13, 2020 12:11 pm
by LuckyLuciano
In post 1694, clidd wrote:
In post 1692, LuckyLuciano wrote:Does the time at which it is mentioned have an effect on its truth value?
It depends on the perspective that you managed to get at that observation. But as it is something public (Chemist's role), I assume that maybe we didn't pay attention to it.
Are you saying that because I did setup spec in a different way than other players that I am mafia? Bob argued that both Wake and I must be town, simply from a different perspective (gap in town power).
In post 1695, clidd wrote:
In post 1693, LuckyLuciano wrote:
In post 1682, clidd wrote:Luciano, you have 24 to towntell or I'll advocate a flash-lynch on you.
For the record, BoP is stupid and not a way to motivate me.
I would say it's more like
"start playing like Town!Luciano''
.
lol

Posted: Wed May 13, 2020 12:15 pm
by clidd
Yes, depending on the information you have as scum, different observations can happen. But in your case it does not imply that you are mafia.

Posted: Wed May 13, 2020 12:18 pm
by LuckyLuciano
Okay, so are you going to take this new information and apply it to your reads?

Posted: Wed May 13, 2020 12:20 pm
by clidd
Do you have reads besides that ? (who's scum/town)