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[Alchemist21]

Why do people keep bringing up what RadiantCowbells would do as if everyone plays the same as him?

[MathBlade]

The masons are hard defending scum right now, that’s why this game is fucked.

They specifically just want me to be scum and they’re letting it cloud their judge,ent, and honestly, I’m kinda done with this game.

If no lim and I come over, then we'd still have majority without the masons.

Go for it. You’d have wagon based proof scum were on that wagon if you do it without us.

Scum would necessarily be on that wagon and it would prove my point scum want NPOM dead.

[Flavor Leaf]

The masons are hard defending scum right now, that’s why this game is fucked.

They specifically just want me to be scum and they’re letting it cloud their judge,ent, and honestly, I’m kinda done with this game.

If no lim and I come over, then we'd still have majority without the masons.

No Lim said they scum read me too.

Battle Mage, if town, might come over, but his vote on Outer kinda ruins it.

[MathBlade]

Why do people keep bringing up what RadiantCowbells would do as if everyone plays the same as him?

I am bringing him up as an example to demonstrate townies lie. He’s the most notable I know to do it.

[Flavor Leaf]

Why do people keep bringing up what RadiantCowbells would do as if everyone plays the same as him?

Yeah, idk, I’ve beaten RC every time I was scum against him

[Flavor Leaf]

I’m actually the most notable town fake claimer

[Titus]

There's at least one scum in NPOM and FL most likely as both are claiming a gambit that busted the other.
Mathblade and Ranny are claimed masons.
OutWorlder is a clamed bodyguard.
Titus and Alchemist claim headaches.

I think that FL and Mathblade are both town, or if one is scum its FL and he's pulling a double gambit with NPOM.
I don't like any of the three slots though that are outside NPOM/FL/The Masons, which puts me in a bit of a quandry because not everyone can be scum.

World's shittiest readslist but at least it'll help get people into the game.

I think both are is a possibility, but both are would mean the game would be exactly FL/NM/Outer. Possible but I don’t think it’s probable.

FL/NM doesn't mean outer must be scum.

If you feel this is the setup, why do you seem so against the NPOM wagon?

I am against it because of what I mentioned before.

I have had a townread on NPOM before and looking at their ISO to see if their claim had merit only solidified the read.

It’s possible NPOM is scum here. It’s just if NPOM is scum, FL scum and Outer/Alch scum regain so much footing and become nigh on impossible to elim.

On the other hand outer is more likely scum and the better strategic play. We have one wrong elim left assuming 3 scum. If Outer happens to be town then NPOM scum is likely confirmed.

Mainly the Outer elim imho has the best chance imho of flipping red and better for long term play if I am wrong. It’s mainly strategic and wagon analysis.

This reads like you don't want NPOM to be scum because you want to make the hero play and fulfill Superbowl's wishes.

I don't see how anyone, town or scum, reads NPOM's trajectory and thinks his claim gets stronger. Particularly one who says there's too much power anyway.

I don't really see you going all out to save NPOM here as his scum buddy because NPOM flipping scum essentially loses you the game.

Outer isn't really a claimed liar here either. NPOM is.

Your conclusions just don't make sense as either alignment and its infuritating.

It’s PoE. We are in one of three worlds.
One both are scum >> We get a scum elim whichever way.
Two neither are scum >> Yell at review board for WTF and I really doubt this
Three only one is scum >> This is most likely based on NPOM doing this unprovoked.

Yes NPOM lied. RC lies many townies lie when they think it suits them. As much as I wish we could do elim all liars we’d end up with like no one left this game.

NPOM also as scum necessitates either a you or FL scum partner to do that claim unprovoked. This would be a huge gambit. I scumread FL and townread you so I naturally don’t want to give FL what he wants.

I am pretty much dead set on FL scum here based on the Johnny kill and how he and Alch shade me and Ranny.

The thing is, you're not getting an FL execution. You know this to be the thing.

You know FL scum is manipulative. Let him overthink himself.

He can't kill both of us and eliminate the theory that he's bussing NPOM.

Take the scum in front of us.

Look at the VCs. Battle Mage is transparently buddying the fuck out of you. Like if I was queen, he'd be the execution. I'm not, so he's not.


So wreck scum!Fl's gambit. Give him the "credit" for executing scum. Then execute Battle Mage for me. Then, you and FL can have it out if you have to.

[MathBlade]

That’s not the most likely though.

I am 95% sure scum!FL wants NPOM dead.

I don’t want to give him what he wants. It’s more likely NPOM is town here.

I don’t want to give a strategist like FL what he wants as scum.

[MathBlade]

I know an FL execution isn’t smart but that doesn’t mean I do what he demands if anything I do the opposite.

[Flavor Leaf]

I think your entire idea of what scum me is, is wrong.

[Titus]

That’s not the most likely though.

I am 95% sure scum!FL wants NPOM dead.

I don’t want to give him what he wants. It’s more likely NPOM is town here.

I don’t want to give a strategist like FL what he wants as scum.

Math, you're tunnelling FL so hard and you're trying to fit everything he does to be scum when he transparently isn't.

The refusal to claim his negative utlity is transparently a way to try and bait a nightkill.
Scum NPOM can know that town!outer is a bodyguard just by using investigative power on him.
NPOM is the only "even night" in the entire game.
NPOM originally claimed VT and then changed his claim when mass claim came around.

No matter what route is taken, NPOM is scum here.

I'm not voting Outer.

So you can either compromise on a lynch on NPOM or join me in starting Battle Mage to put off this fight another day. But if I die, you need to shut up and take the NPOM execution.

[Flavor Leaf]

Like I said, you just want me to be scum, and it’s going to be a giant i told you so post game

[Titus]

I know an FL execution isn’t smart but that doesn’t mean I do what he demands if anything I do the opposite.

That's surface level.

Remember how when we'd squabble as kids. I'd do one thing because I know you'd object and I'd get exactly what I wanted anyway?

If FL is scum, he knows you'll just oppose him regardless. Don't look at what he wants. Look at what you want.

[MathBlade]

That’s not the most likely though.

I am 95% sure scum!FL wants NPOM dead.

I don’t want to give him what he wants. It’s more likely NPOM is town here.

I don’t want to give a strategist like FL what he wants as scum.

Math, you're tunnelling FL so hard and you're trying to fit everything he does to be scum when he transparently isn't.

The refusal to claim his negative utlity is transparently a way to try and bait a nightkill.
Scum NPOM can know that town!outer is a bodyguard just by using investigative power on him.
NPOM is the only "even night" in the entire game.
NPOM originally claimed VT and then changed his claim when mass claim came around.

No matter what route is taken, NPOM is scum here.

I'm not voting Outer.

So you can either compromise on a lynch on NPOM or join me in starting Battle Mage to put off this fight another day. But if I die, you need to shut up and take the NPOM execution.

I am doing neither. You or FL are scum based on how this day went and I townread BattleMage.

You’re calling FL town and not explaining it. You’re pocketed and I explained how.

I do not do what scum want.

[MathBlade]

I know an FL execution isn’t smart but that doesn’t mean I do what he demands if anything I do the opposite.

That's surface level.

Remember how when we'd squabble as kids. I'd do one thing because I know you'd object and I'd get exactly what I wanted anyway?

If FL is scum, he knows you'll just oppose him regardless. Don't look at what he wants. Look at what you want.

I want Outer. I think it’s FL Outer Alch.

If I am wrong then to come back to NPOM tomorrow.

[Titus]

I townread BattleMage.

This is just all sorts of no.

[Titus]

I know an FL execution isn’t smart but that doesn’t mean I do what he demands if anything I do the opposite.

That's surface level.

Remember how when we'd squabble as kids. I'd do one thing because I know you'd object and I'd get exactly what I wanted anyway?

If FL is scum, he knows you'll just oppose him regardless. Don't look at what he wants. Look at what you want.

I want Outer. I think it’s FL Outer Alch.

If I am wrong then to come back to NPOM tomorrow.

Yeah and BattleMage gets away. I don't think so.

Also, Alch hasn't been scum since go.

I'm willing to entertain scum!FL but scum!FL is only scum with NPOM.

[Flavor Leaf]

Math, just give me a chance with going NPOM.

[Flavor Leaf]

I know an FL execution isn’t smart but that doesn’t mean I do what he demands if anything I do the opposite.

That's surface level.

Remember how when we'd squabble as kids. I'd do one thing because I know you'd object and I'd get exactly what I wanted anyway?

If FL is scum, he knows you'll just oppose him regardless. Don't look at what he wants. Look at what you want.

I want Outer. I think it’s FL Outer Alch.

If I am wrong then to come back to NPOM tomorrow.

So zero scum on Super Bowl wagon, and the three of us have just been pushing the same slot together with no traction for 2 days?

You realize the incredible surface level logic you are pushing, right?

[Titus]

Math, just give me a chance with going NPOM.

He's not going to. He's too far gone.

Discuss your Battle Mage townread with me.

[Flavor Leaf]

I didn’t have anything with Battle Mage that pinged me, however, i do normally town read him when he is town, and his Outer vote does make sense as scum, so NPOM/Battle Mage does make sense. I don’t think either Outer or Alchemist are bussing NPOM, so that means it’s probably NPOM/BM/No Elim.

Which sucks because the masons give NPOM strength.

Alternatively, I’m wrong on Outer, but I need within NPOM and the masons today.

[MathBlade]

Math, just give me a chance with going NPOM.

He's not going to. He's too far gone.

Discuss your Battle Mage townread with me.

I will after work. Too hard atm to explain while working.

[MathBlade]

I didn’t have anything with Battle Mage that pinged me, however, i do normally town read him when he is town, and his Outer vote does make sense as scum, so NPOM/Battle Mage does make sense. I don’t think either Outer or Alchemist are bussing NPOM, so that means it’s probably NPOM/BM/No Elim.

Which sucks because the masons give NPOM strength.

Alternatively, I’m wrong on Outer, but I need within NPOM and the masons today.

I don’t give scum what they want.

[Titus]

I didn’t have anything with Battle Mage that pinged me, however, i do normally town read him when he is town, and his Outer vote does make sense as scum, so NPOM/Battle Mage does make sense. I don’t think either Outer or Alchemist are bussing NPOM, so that means it’s probably NPOM/BM/No Elim.

Which sucks because the masons give NPOM strength.

Alternatively, I’m wrong on Outer, but I need within NPOM and the masons today.

I was kinda hoping you would defend Battle Mage so I could con Mathblade into eliminating him correctly. What really pinged me (aside from our earlier fights) is his historical vote pattern. He's third on NPOM on earlier days, but when the time comes back, he votes Outer instead. He then scurries off (likely because IRL but still).

Outer would likely only be scum with NPOM anyway because Outer claiming not VT gives NPOM's claim some legitimacy because it would be accurate.

[Flavor Leaf]

Alright, Mathblade. Look dumb postgame.

:shrug:

On you Titus.

I am tapping out