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In post 1665, Taly wrote:The last time I was present in the thread I was frustrated, and to call 1316 1331 as hostile is valid.

But my argument to your 1272 was true.
I felt that you cherry-picked one of my earliest posts (and not my whole ISO) as a means to say that I don't have a lot of content, and 1319 still did not give much information on why you thought that.

You inquired about it, and I gave an emotional answer with frustration directed at more than just your slot. Your reply in 1348 doesn't help me realize what you don't follow.

My major issue with your approach to me resides

after

my 1351. I distrust the way you frame the interaction with me.

1832 read as dismissive because you made a post about my content, I engaged, and it looked like you wrote it off by saying I shouldn't have commented.
I gave you a way to engage with me in 1351 and I don't think your assessment that I'm trying to appeal to you is accurate or fair. 1388

If I wanted to appeal to you, why am I interacting with you in hostility, in your eyes?

The assessment doesn't make logical sense to me.

1661 reads as poor faith because you're more focused on detailing why a scumread on me is valid rather than dispelling what uncertainty you have with my posts.

I can understand that we could be miscommunicating, but I don't follow your assessment of my posts and if you're town, I'd rather you work with me here.

In post 1666, Taly wrote:

Cakez

, I'm not looking for a detailed rebuttal outlining your POV.

I want you to engage with what content I've created, and if you feel that I still haven't provided anything, don't confbias a reason to sus me, explain it.

In post 1676, Taly wrote:Unless I'm on a mary-go-round getting mindfucked by

Alisae/OWER

simultaneously, I like this solve.

Without ISOs elsewhere, here's where I'm at.

Strong Townreads: {Alisae, OWER}

Weaker Townreads:{Pooky, BM, Flea, Bell, Akarin, Gamma, Blitzo}

Sorting/Volatile Reads: {SirCakez, Titus, Murdercat}

Contains Scum Via PoE + Interactions: {Haschel, Reckoner, TGP}

Confident Scum Independently: {DrippingGoofBall}

I plan to resolve

{SirCakez/Titus/Murdercat}

reads.

{Haschel/Reckoner/TGP}

I STRONGLY doubt contain all scum, but they make the most logical sense in respect to my townreads.

This isn't a very realistic readslist D1 but it's 16p I'm reading in 1 week, so...

In post 1681, SirCakez wrote:I also have to say I tend to read long ISOs as scum motivated because people rarely read them through and they look townie on surface level

In post 1678, SirCakez wrote:

In post 1665, Taly wrote:The last time I was present in the thread I was frustrated, and to call 1316 1331 as hostile is valid.

But my argument to your 1272 was true.
I felt that you cherry-picked one of my earliest posts (and not my whole ISO) as a means to say that I don't have a lot of content, and 1319 still did not give much information on why you thought that.

You inquired about it, and I gave an emotional answer with frustration directed at more than just your slot. Your reply in 1348 doesn't help me realize what you don't follow.

My major issue with your approach to me resides

after

my 1351. I distrust the way you frame the interaction with me.

1832 read as dismissive because you made a post about my content, I engaged, and it looked like you wrote it off by saying I shouldn't have commented.
I gave you a way to engage with me in 1351 and I don't think your assessment that I'm trying to appeal to you is accurate or fair. 1388

If I wanted to appeal to you, why am I interacting with you in hostility, in your eyes?

The assessment doesn't make logical sense to me.

1661 reads as poor faith because you're more focused on detailing why a scumread on me is valid rather than dispelling what uncertainty you have with my posts.

I can understand that we could be miscommunicating, but I don't follow your assessment of my posts and if you're town, I'd rather you work with me here.

I'm not sure why you are so hung up on that one post I quoted - as I said it was representative of your whole ISO. It was not meant to be the "one post" I was trying to nail you on.
I feel your posts are just padded out a lot with a lot of waffling and unconclusive content and I feel it could be scum motivated as people tend to go "walls = town."
In 1382 I was being dismissive, because I felt like you were looking for something that wasn't there. Thus I was calling the response scummy.
Appease =/= appeal. I'm using appease in this context as trying to diffuse pressure on you by giving me what I want, basically, by trying to "explain" yourself as town motivated.
And in 1661 I'm shooting down your claim that I haven't said why I want no-elim. Which, you still haven't explained why you said that when it's blatantly not true.

In post 1680, SirCakez wrote:

In post 1666, Taly wrote:

Cakez

, I'm not looking for a detailed rebuttal outlining your POV.

I want you to engage with what content I've created, and if you feel that I still haven't provided anything, don't confbias a reason to sus me, explain it.

I will try to do this - I feel you will be a valuable player here if you're town.

In post 1681, SirCakez wrote:I also have to say I tend to read long ISOs as scum motivated because people rarely read them through and they look townie on surface level

SirCakez wrote:especially so early in the game when we don't even have flips to use to look at early-game associatives

In post 1684, Gamma Emerald wrote:

In post 1681, SirCakez wrote:I also have to say I tend to read long ISOs as scum motivated because people rarely read them through and they look townie on surface level

This is such a nonsense take stuck in 2017/18 that wasn’t even sensible then imo

In post 1686, SirCakez wrote:

In post 1684, Gamma Emerald wrote:

In post 1681, SirCakez wrote:I also have to say I tend to read long ISOs as scum motivated because people rarely read them through and they look townie on surface level

This is such a nonsense take stuck in 2017/18 that wasn’t even sensible then imo

I mean the tell has worked for me before so I don't see why it's so bad

In post 1687, Taly wrote:Before I go off, I'd like to hear why

BM

isn't town from

Gamma

, and why

Blitzo/Bell

are townread that you're unsure about

Cakez

.

I've done a lot today, haha, bye.

In post 900, Thestatusquo wrote:

VoteCount 1.27

In post 1676, Taly wrote:Unless I'm on a mary-go-round getting mindfucked by

Alisae/OWER

simultaneously, I like this solve.

Without ISOs elsewhere, here's where I'm at.

Strong Townreads: {Alisae, OWER}

Weaker Townreads:{Pooky, BM, Flea, Bell, Akarin, Gamma, Blitzo}

Sorting/Volatile Reads: {SirCakez, Titus, Murdercat}

Contains Scum Via PoE + Interactions: {Haschel, Reckoner, TGP}

Confident Scum Independently: {DrippingGoofBall}

I plan to resolve

{SirCakez/Titus/Murdercat}

reads.

{Haschel/Reckoner/TGP}

I STRONGLY doubt contain all scum, but they make the most logical sense in respect to my townreads.

This isn't a very realistic readslist D1 but it's 16p I'm reading in 1 week, so...

In post 1651, Alisae wrote:I could be talked into killing flea today as well tbh

In post 1653, Flea The Magician wrote:

In post 1646, Battle Mage wrote:

In post 1607, OutWorldER wrote:Flea why are you not voting MC.

BM is transparently busing MCat but he can go out the airlock next.

dude, we're both town here, let's keep it chill

Who is "both", exactly?

In post 1660, SirCakez wrote:

In post 1637, TheGoldenParadox wrote:please explain to me
why in the world we are voting murdercat
who is transparently bleeding town
and not blitzo
who is transparently bleeding scum

Mmm why don't you do something about it instead of complaining

In post 1671, Taly wrote:

Spoiler: Alisae+BM ISO

In post 3, Alisae wrote:real talk tho
lets talk about mechancis
I have no idea how to play this setup and I don't want to turn my brain on to think about it so...

I'd think

Alisae

regardless of alignment would be invested with alternative wincons, so for them to follow-up on a mechanical discussion they began in 29 and 30 makes this seem like a genuine thought project rather than a means to gain thread control.

In post 39, Battle Mage wrote:I have 1 I think. I go to a room, then I do my task.

First interaction,

BM

immediately works with

Alisae

upon their 38 proposition.

54 reinforces that

BM

takes this plan in good faith.

In post 84, Alisae wrote:

In post 75, Battle Mage wrote:yo Alisae - let's go electrical first!

Sure

This doesn't feel S/S at all. Unless they improvised a plan involving too much role speculation I refuse to dive into now, both of them are restricting themselves a lot N1 by publicly accepting how they do their tasks.

And they're the first, there's no clear indication in the thread that everybody will just march to the beat of their drum.

It feels unnecessary for these posts to come from both as scum.

In post 90, Battle Mage wrote:VOTE: XreckonerX

Vote is reasonable. 89 was when

Reck

came in to just doing nothing... on page 4.

In post 167, Alisae wrote:I could be wrong but I think being okay with a no lynch but also being not okay with claiming actions feels like a weird combination to come from scum

Gives

Cakez

benefit of the doubt. Something to note for later.

243 by

BM

and 387 by

Alisae

feel asynchronous.

BM

casually comments on

OWER

painting

Pooky/Alisae

as scum and yet

Alisae

outlines their thoughts to

OWER

in a constructive manner that is removed from doubtcasting

OWER's

intentions.

This is another point for non-S/S but I think this leans to

Alisae

town a bit. My experience with scum-them is that they're quite to control perception and opening up to

OWER

is the opposite of that because they're literally giving someone else control of the game's narrative.

Alisae

also questions

OWER

and... as I have context to how they think as I've recently hydra'd with them.... no alarms are sounding with their inquiry.

In post 430, Alisae wrote:meh
too early to tell
if ur scum u'll obvscum if ur town u'll obvtown me thinks

Very lax take on

Titus

, good to document.

In post 558, Battle Mage wrote:VOTE: titus

This may be 100+ posts ago but if

Alisae/BM

S-S ever existed... they're not following each other onto wagons and are only focused with the other's thoughts via setup.

In post 624, Alisae wrote:

In post 562, Taly wrote:yo ali where the wagons at or where the discussion for them at

how do you feel about the plist lumping you and pooky in the same vein together and by extension, how i am a contributor to that perception?

I don’t really care at the moment tbh

Apathetic, could be voting somewhere, isn't... first vote is at 646 on

Haschel

.

Why not jump into the young, chaotic gamestate that makes Large Themes insane? Doesn't. Sensible.

Also, unphased by the association to

Pooky

. This is good. This is a point against

Pooky/Alisae

S-S because I think effort would be placed into trying to dispel this thought ruminating in the thread.

In post 701, Alisae wrote:700 is to murder but pooky can answer to idc

Again, prompting

Pooky

when it's not necessary.

In post 734, Battle Mage wrote:

In post 709, DrippingGoofball wrote:

In post 654, Alisae wrote:Ya I want some Chaos
I trust you to create that environment

You're town, Pooky is town, that's what I got so far.

hey, I'm town!

There's a trend with

BM's

posts where they continually inject the idea that they're obvtown and by implication, shouldn't warrant suspicion... I don't like this type of posting because it serves nothing to a conversation but I've seen

BM

do it as town before.

In post 827, Alisae wrote:

In post 824, DrippingGoofball wrote:

In post 811, Alisae wrote:you know
it now occured to me that maybe we shouldn't have said what our post restrictions were?

What are the pros & cons?

well I thought a con was scum get to fake post restrictions, but apparently they already have a list, so this isn't a con.
the pros would be I'm not actually sure. Its fun. There we go.

If

Alisae's

scum, they're

very comfortable

, and we're fucked.

But that's too much of a paranoia-driven thought process. I don't see an agenda here.

In post 831, Battle Mage wrote:you're planning to elim me today so does it matter?

Flippant. I'm starting to sympathize with the

BM

wagon, although, I'm unsure how NAI this statement is.

In post 841, Battle Mage wrote:

In post 839, OutWorldER wrote:So I can start getting a ball rolling on something other than mechanical talk and setup speculation.

This doesn't take long to think about.

I also want to see more posting from you in general since this posting from you doesn't feel like what I've witnessed first-hand in O799.

I was the boss in that game. here I'm a pawn amongst queens.

plus i'm not big on mech talk really, and I like simple plans that people actually deliver on. the idea of doing half a massclaim and then abandoning it, is a bit wtf?

I can see this from scum POV trying to revive more information about mechanics, but

BM

began this game interacting with mechanical discussion... so this isn't surprising or worrying to read.

In post 901, Alisae wrote:

In post 898, Bell wrote:@Taly,

Pooky, alisae, you (or you're doing a good job of faking some pretty detailed thoughts!), Flea,
even though I gave a warning about the doggo the doggo is still town spewing from my pov.

The rest are kinda meh, I could prolly point to weak town leans/scum leans but per post it would balance on and off.
Titus I'm rapidly vacillitating on because she looks like obv scum, but she's always scum/third party so.
Have I even played with town titus.
Oh. Yeah sort of.

a tactic scum!taly likes to use is they like to make it easier for other people to spew themselves

The post I dislike most about

Alisae's

entire ISO.

Bell

was sending an olive branch and reading me with good faith and they interject with a reason to doubtcast that.

I also feel like it's a slight misrep because I bring people to spew regardless of my alignment. Me getting information from others is not what's specifically AI, it's what I do with/during/before/after that information.

I don't fault

Alisae

though... I'm a hard metaread.

In post 921, Alisae wrote:

In post 904, Bell wrote:Maybe I just really like Flea's posting this game and I'm biased tho.

So you're saying that Taly is good at being scum? Aight.

missed this.
They can be. Idunno if you saw my MtG thread but I came out of a scum hydra with them. Their scumplay is fairly green. TBH when we hydra'd, they told me something that I needed to look out and to kill them on site if they do it but I don't recall what that is for the life of me.
I think I have an idea on how to catch scum!Taly if it exists in this game but if that world exists, it won't be until a wolf before him dies.

This is another reason why I didn't push

Alisae

.

I think looking at me at a later day is a valid way to sort me if I don't get nightkilled... I just hope

Alisae

isn't posting this as a precursor to case me when it's most viable to lim me.

I mean, I've only been caught as scum via associations and busses before... and I'm mislimmed more often.

But relatively speaking, I don't get limmed often at all.

In post 954, Alisae wrote:

In post 953, Taly wrote:

In post 921, Alisae wrote:

In post 904, Bell wrote:Maybe I just really like Flea's posting this game and I'm biased tho.

So you're saying that Taly is good at being scum? Aight.

missed this.
They can be. Idunno if you saw my MtG thread but I came out of a scum hydra with them. Their scumplay is fairly green. TBH when we hydra'd, they told me something that I needed to look out and to kill them on site if they do it but I don't recall what that is for the life of me.
I think I have an idea on how to catch scum!Taly if it exists in this game but if that world exists, it won't be until a wolf before him dies.

i dont remember saying something

exactly

like

"kill me on sight if i do something"

, but i might have.

i cant tell if your take on me is to be pragmatic knowing what im capable of, or youre positioning around me since your approach to me right now is to shelve me.

basically, are you taking to me in good faith here? i feel like ive had more posts directed to or about you than otherwise, so i want to know if the distance is intentional.

atm ur just completely not on my radar

Fair. I admit and I think I told

Alisae

that I fall into the background often as scum.

But this isn't very intentional, if my word means anything here, it's a large theme.

In post 976, Alisae wrote:

In post 974, TheGoldenParadox wrote:

In post 972, Blitzo wrote:My second thought was that TGP was entirely forgettable.
I might let that develop for a bit and see what happens.

obviously i can't prove this, but i think blitzo wrote this AFTER previewing and faked it so they didn't

what the fuck

My thoughts exactly.

1240 is an interesting take from

Alisae

onto

Haschel

. They're a scumread (I presume) and yet

Alisae

sees a post that they don't agree with and decides not to push it further.

In post 1243, Alisae wrote:

In post 1138, OutWorldER wrote:Ali is a known powerwolf and wants to manipulate the gamestate/narrative to eir advantage and the fact that they were one of the first people pushing No Eliminate plan makes me suspicious.

I'M NOT EVEN DOING ANY OF THAT
omg
im malding

In post 1249, Alisae wrote:

In post 1179, Titus wrote:Can we move on to no elimination and compliance? I am bored and this feels like an RVS that will last forever.

HOLY SHIT TITUS
NO
STOP
LET PEOPLE SCUMHUNT IF THEY WANT TO THERE'S NO HARM IN THAT.

lmfao

In post 1250, Alisae wrote:

In post 1248, Flea The Magician wrote:Yeah my townread on Ali rn is based on the fact there's been no AtE or weird aggression lol

I use emotion as town.

Alisae's

rage caps are even funnier with this interaction. They call themselves out to

Flea

. Town does this more often than scum if they feel a read on them doesn't make sense, and 1443 is a later vote so this post - in context - may be affecting

Alisae's

read on

Flea

adversely.

In post 1280, Battle Mage wrote:

In post 1222, Flea The Magician wrote:

In post 1220, MURDERCAT wrote:

In post 1219, Taly wrote:If you want to group, requote this list in a chain

Taly, come to Electrical tonight.

Titus reads all over the place here - unusual for her.

Ignoring the baiting from Flea - I have been pulling out some great reads so far imho.

>

Interested in working with me.

>

Knowing the 1440 vote progression on

Titus

, makes me wonder if this was in some form a planned vote. Although, I did agree with

BM

here.

>

I also agree with

BM's

take to

Flea

, it's hard to figure out what their thoughts are on

BM

because it's veiled in walls mainly looking at posts rather than

BM

as a whole.

I don't think

BM

has really accomplished much specifically with their wagon but perhaps that's a playstyle disparity between us and how we think?

In post 1285, Battle Mage wrote:also I'd missed your post Taly, but I havent really bothered explaining reads as the game is moving so fast, and it isn't like anyone is sheeping me right now

at some point when things calm down, I'll collate everything and decide what to do.

In the meantime I guess I just need to avoid getting elimmed myself haha

my townblock is pretty good: Pooky, Cakez, Gamma, TGP, Akarin were in there, I forget who else. I can buy OutWorldER as town from those voting me. Leaning town on Alisae too.

DGB is doing pretty standard scum tactic of just tunnelling someone they see as an easy target. Titus is a bit erratic but also distant and doesn't feel as invested in the game - more in line with scum vibe than town vibe. Blitzo has been scummy but he also feels like the sort of player who scum would push as a cheap mis-elim. Flea is doing a lot of that LAMISTy stuff but it's superficial - long ISO cases which don't strike a balanced objective line, are a scum move I've used many times in my youth.

Aside from

Cakez/TGP/Akarin

townread confidence strength, I mindmeld

BM

with his reads, town and scum.

I'm not sure about

Titus

but I agree with

DGB

assesment.

I'll reserve thoughts on

Flea

when I spew a D1 solve.

I detected genuine emotion from

BM's

1310 and I don't think scum angles frustration this way very often. It could've been channeled into an aggressive push and I don't think

BM

is trying to placate

Flea

just to get pressure off.

In post 1321, Battle Mage wrote:Taly-

let's just work outside of our respective townpools then. We aren't too far off each other tbh.

i've played 1 game with cakez town, and 1 game with cakez scum. In the nicest possible way, when he was scum he was completely obvscum, and when he was town he was pretty obviously town. As scum he got elimmed on Day 1 for basically trying to run a fake-meta gambit on me (as well as some other things i think). In this game, he's giving believable pro-town takes and coming across much more natural. I think cakez is sweet.

The most helpful post to me this game.

Unless

BM

is hard-attempting to pocket me, I don't know why scum-him wants to work with me when

Cakez/Titus/DGB/Akarin

have all either taken frustration to my posts, scumread me, or have had negative commentary on my POV.

In post 1440, Battle Mage wrote:

In post 1425, DrippingGoofball wrote:VOTE: Titus

Haschel, you with me?

I'm with you

VOTE: Titus

In post 1443, Alisae wrote:VOTE: Flea

...Asynchronous and D1 is halfway finished. Why go on different pushes now?

Synopsis

I really don't see how

Alisae/BM

are S/S here, or everything they're doing is to distance them in the context of how they read the game.

I will note, they don't often state reads on the other, so I will be attentive to this in the future.

Alisae

is town because their POV lacks what I'd imagine scum-them,

at the very least

, this stage of the game.

BM

is less confidently town, I wonder if their more flippant disposition is to nullify suspicion and placate others.

In post 1691, MURDERCAT wrote:maybe scum:
taly - I've been getting the heebie jeebies based on how Taly is interacting with me. Like I feel like I've been interacting with Taly a lot in the game but I've stayed in the light shade territory the whole game.

Battle Mage wrote:

In post 1676, Taly wrote:Unless I'm on a mary-go-round getting mindfucked by

Alisae/OWER

simultaneously, I like this solve.

Without ISOs elsewhere, here's where I'm at.

Strong Townreads: {Alisae, OWER}

Weaker Townreads:{Pooky, BM, Flea, Bell, Akarin, Gamma, Blitzo}

Sorting/Volatile Reads: {SirCakez, Titus, Murdercat}

Contains Scum Via PoE + Interactions: {Haschel, Reckoner, TGP}

Confident Scum Independently: {DrippingGoofBall}

I plan to resolve

{SirCakez/Titus/Murdercat}

reads.

{Haschel/Reckoner/TGP}

I STRONGLY doubt contain all scum, but they make the most logical sense in respect to my townreads.

This isn't a very realistic readslist D1 but it's 16p I'm reading in 1 week, so...

I can help you with your middling reads. SirCakez-town, Titus-scum. Murdercat - no idea!