Open 815: Forest Fire Redux [Endgame]

[Noraa]

I think I see town self votes more tbh.
idk I think its easier to get frustrated as town than scum because typically town don't really unite until late game.

[humaneatingmonkey]

I can testify to it. I've caught scum this way. Self-votes are usually accompanied by an emotion that is very difficult to fake without burning bridges. Meanwhile, it's very easy to spot a fake AtE self-vote imo.

[Noraa]

I don't think self votes are great but atm its a part of my town meta so I don't really have a choice but to replicate it occasionally as scum. I'm trying to get them out of my town game but that's a whole thing that will take some time >.<

[Noraa]

I can testify to it. I've caught scum this way. Self-votes are usually accompanied by an emotion that is very difficult to fake without burning bridges. Meanwhile, it's very easy to spot a fake AtE self-vote imo.

rate my emotions around the self vote. I was trying imagine what pooky would say and that's what I ended up with

[Noraa]

Pooky is my literal role model. he plays so happily, has pretty good reads, and is always fooling around. that is the final level of enlightenment <.<

[Prism]

I would really focus on the circumstances surrounding the self-vote, for example it being a bit out of line with what T3 gave imo, than any overly general statements. It's a bad thing to do as either alignment, though.

[Ydrasse]

you don’t need to match your town meta blow for blow because as scum that’s impossible imo. you just need to be towny enough and shear away the routes to be voted — a self vote in this case achieved the opposite. you’ll drive yourself mad trying to replicate it exactly when you’re also managing getting things done as scum.

i don’t think in a position like that you needed to be so contrarian. the routes were limited but town at that point was up decently with a good pool. getting that frustrated is in character but ultimately i think a town player in this set of circumstance might’ve been less inclined to self vote. someone who knows more might disagree but that is my opinion.

[humaneatingmonkey]

rate my emotions around the self vote. I was trying imagine what pooky would say and that's what I ended up with

if you want to put yourself in the position that you would self-vote and it would look genuine, pick a fight with someone. not just a fight about the game or your alignment, but about how unfair they're being to you and how hurt your ego etc. that's the emotion that leads to self-destructive town behavior.

[humaneatingmonkey]

create a believable story about the person behind your slot when you make moves that you want people to townread. but be aware that emotional play is just a side of scum play. there's tons of stuff you need to cover (like progressions, mechanical, etc.) that you need to back up as well. everything needs to be flawless so you can be a good scum.

i'm still not at this level of play, but I'm not a bad actor.

[Noraa]

rate my emotions around the self vote. I was trying imagine what pooky would say and that's what I ended up with

if you want to put yourself in the position that you would self-vote and it would look genuine, pick a fight with someone. not just a fight about the game or your alignment, but about how unfair they're being to you and how hurt your ego etc. that's the emotion that leads to self-destructive town behavior.

I don't do that nowadays. Thats not cool :/
I wasn't trying to go the frustrated route. I was more trying to go that "whatever game is solved idc if I die here"

[Prism]

I think that was one suggestion of HEM's, but the emphasis is more on making sure that you craft a very convincing narrative around it, which has multiple paths. It seems you tried to do this with the game is solved angle, which I have already provided specific feedback on.

[Noraa]

I don't think its crazy unbelievable for me since I get extremely extremely strong soul reads and if I had a soul read strong enough, I would totally do this.
The issue is that I don't know T3 well enough to have a soul read like that. Like having some sort of read on him is already like ... pretty good.

[Lukewarm]

It is also hard to sell a "the game is solved narrative" after saying that you have too many scum reads. You being suspicious of so many people just like 1 or 2 pages before the self vote, undercuts that narrative somewhat

[Prism]

Time for the mafia PT release?

[MURDERCAT]

Time for the mafia PT release?

Done! For convenience: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=90&t=86809

[Isis]

How did it go?

[Infinity 324]

Town won by a lot

Not sure I like the setup

[humaneatingmonkey]

Town won by embarrassing a lot

[MURDERCAT]

D1 scum elim ended poorly for scum, probably closer to balanced but maybe not actually that fun

I didn't mess anything major up though so that's good

[humaneatingmonkey]

Fun for town, not fun for scum yet. Could be fun if scum is allowed to speak in mafia PT post-death.

[Isis]