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In post 1672, Servant Lancer wrote:Why would your area of doubt be on me naming my ability and not on, say, whether Avenger is lying?

I don't really understand this question.

If you hadn't outright claimed your ability, I would question it more. And I outright even said I don't think this setup is capable of producing that many clears, or at least not as easily as some would like to believe.

However, you did outright claim your ability, and it seems to make sense with your early play. And I felt like you were likely to be town even without this ability.

Avenger isn't really in a position to lie about your ability, even if he were scum. However, there is plenty for him to gain for him by telling the truth, especially since he was probably already in the hot seat as it were.

As far as the setup goes, we have:


-A super-cop-like NP that Assassin is claiming to have


Not to mention what else could be in this setup.

Considering the stomp of a game that was the previous FGO, do you really think Cabd feels like town needs all this basically free help to overpower and beat the scumteam?

Of the three I bolded, two of them also seem to require the town to be able to earn with decent play in some way. The last one was claimed by Beast, and I still think he's lying about it.

I openly oppose an Avenger elim right now:

People that I would be willing to fight to avoid them being elimed:
Lancer, Alter Ego, Avenger

Would rather them not be the elim:
Caster, Rider, Assassin, Shielder

If you guys say insist:
Beast

Can we please yeet this? :
Foreigner

In post 1649, Servant Alter Ego wrote:At this point the only realistic possibilities I see for scum are Foreigner, Caster, or maybe Rider. Probably autowin, tbh. Boring game.

yeah Foreigner and Caster have been pinging me during my catch-up, Rider too a little but something tells me Rider had a town post in 229

In post 1656, Servant Lancer wrote:Ruler seemed like the obvious NK to me

how so?

In post 1661, Servant Lancer wrote:friendly neighbor

I have a decent idea of what dictates who can receive the action, but in the interest of keeping up the masquerade I'll spare the details

people were loudly proclaiming how closely mastina was following her town meta

In post 1677, Servant Rider wrote:

In post 1672, Servant Lancer wrote:Why would your area of doubt be on me naming my ability and not on, say, whether Avenger is lying?

I don't really understand this question.

If you hadn't outright claimed your ability, I would question it more. And I outright even said I don't think this setup is capable of producing that many clears, or at least not as easily as some would like to believe.

However, you did outright claim your ability, and it seems to make sense with your early play. And I felt like you were likely to be town even without this ability.

Avenger isn't really in a position to lie about your ability, even if he were scum. However, there is plenty for him to gain for him by telling the truth, especially since he was probably already in the hot seat as it were.

As far as the setup goes, we have:

-Potential to modconfirm a townie with a mechanic that definitely leans more toward the town (see: Berserker)

-A claimed Friendly Neighbor (that seems to be gated in some way)

-A super-cop-like NP that Assassin is claiming to have

-An informed townie that knows another player has to be town

Not to mention what else could be in this setup.

Considering the stomp of a game that was the previous FGO, do you really think Cabd feels like town needs all this basically free help to overpower and beat the scumteam?

Of the three I bolded, two of them also seem to require the town to be able to earn with decent play in some way. The last one was claimed by Beast, and I still think he's lying about it.

This is a good post. Except the part where I'm lying about, pretty much anything. That's wrong. This is the reason I haven't unvoted Avenger even after they claimed it.

In post 1677, Servant Rider wrote:

In post 1672, Servant Lancer wrote:Why would your area of doubt be on me naming my ability and not on, say, whether Avenger is lying?

I don't really understand this question.

If you hadn't outright claimed your ability, I would question it more. And I outright even said I don't think this setup is capable of producing that many clears, or at least not as easily as some would like to believe.

However, you did outright claim your ability, and it seems to make sense with your early play. And I felt like you were likely to be town even without this ability.

Avenger isn't really in a position to lie about your ability, even if he were scum. However, there is plenty for him to gain for him by telling the truth, especially since he was probably already in the hot seat as it were.

As far as the setup goes, we have:

-Potential to modconfirm a townie with a mechanic that definitely leans more toward the town (see: Berserker)

-A claimed Friendly Neighbor (that seems to be gated in some way)

-A super-cop-like NP that Assassin is claiming to have

-An informed townie that knows another player has to be town

Not to mention what else could be in this setup.

Considering the stomp of a game that was the previous FGO, do you really think Cabd feels like town needs all this basically free help to overpower and beat the scumteam?

Of the three I bolded, two of them also seem to require the town to be able to earn with decent play in some way. The last one was claimed by Beast, and I still think he's lying about it.

the only way you think I might not actually be confirmed town is if you think Avenger and I are scum together, as this game is explicitly not bastard. It shouldn't matter what my ability is or isn't.

the only way you should think*

why would scum kill Ruler over someone like Archer or AE though, who seemed more in the driver's seat?

In post 1684, Servant Lancer wrote:

the only way you think I might not actually be confirmed town is if you think Avenger and I are scum together

, as this game is explicitly not bastard. It shouldn't matter what my ability is or isn't.

What?

How would I possibly even begin able to determine if the two of you weren't scum together without knowing what your ability is?

I'm.. not sure why you're questioning me about this? is there something you're trying to get at?

Agree with Berserker. It's possible the scum team is doing one of those "let's kill the person least likely to be watched/protected" kinda scum teams.
Or, maybe they saw something I didn't I dunno.

I mean, your ability matters somewhat, because if it was just a *note* that you left them and wasn't worded as mod confirmed I'd more suspicious of it. Though I am largely over the lancer may be scum hill by the time you got around to clearing yourself. But it's nice that my paranoia can largely be put to rest there.

that was @berserker

my being conftown shouldn't depend on my ability, it should depend on whether or not you think Avenger is lying. it doesn't matter if it's my ability or if it's a random person's ability

In post 1682, Servant Lancer wrote:people were loudly proclaiming how closely mastina was following her town meta

idk, I expected them to leave the slot alive simply because the reads coming from it were bad. First the slot hard defended moon, then the slot hard defended Saber. Seems like the person to keep alive to me.

I actually expected to be the night kill. I have been near universally town read (even more so then Ruler), but I am also helping push scum elims through.

Looking forward to seeing the mafia chat and finding out why they chose her.

In post 1688, Servant Lancer wrote:I'm.. not sure why you're questioning me about this? is there something you're trying to get at?

I just really feel like Ruler would have been a lower priority kill over someone like Archer or AE

based on the flips I have a guess. it doesn't really matter right now though.

pedit: okay. I'm not sure what you are after in asking me about it?

I mean, it would be a funny twist if they were scum together, but I find that unlikely. Lancer didn't need *more* clear. They were largely out of the line of fire already and wifom wasn't going to improve their position much.
If there was more to it, like covering for the possibility of a tracker/watcher then maybe, but a friendly neighbor wouldn't work in favor of that, or at least it wouldn't be the role I would think of when trying to counteract that sort of thing.

I would say it's likely their role exists due to saber's comment about a redirector. Just in general. mmm.

imo, Lancer is confirmed town in every scenario, unless the team is exactly Avenger+Lancer, which seems like too silly of an idea to entertain, even if Avenger does flip scum.

I am also think that Avenger is just town here.

In post 1689, Servant Beast wrote:because if it was just a *note* that you left them and wasn't worded as mod confirmed I'd more suspicious of it.

I can confirm it's not a message sent.
My first post today was seeing the message, my second post was me knowing it's legit.

Take it as you like, but Lancer can't be scum in any way.

In post 1695, Servant Archer wrote:imo, Lancer is confirmed town in every scenario, unless the team is exactly Avenger+Lancer, which seems like too silly of an idea to entertain, even if Avenger does flip scum.

right. it literally doesn't matter what my ability is or what ability caused Avenger to receive the message. unless you think Avenger is lying about receiving the message (and that Avenger and I are scum together), I should be confirmed town. that's why it's weird to me that Rider is talking about believing my ability being the reason to think I'm town. it just straight up should not matter.

Yeah, I already directly asked you that and you answered that it was an unambigous clear.

In post 1693, Servant Lancer wrote:based on the flips I have a guess. it doesn't really matter right now though.

pedit: okay. I'm not sure what you are after in asking me about it?

I'm not exactly well versed in what's going on so I thought you could have helped give perspective