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I think Bingle immediately asking House to explain his "it's not imaginality" comment indicates that that team probably makes Bingle the 8-ball.
So imaginality is probably the right target here. House/Bingle is... well not exactly impossible, but House would sure be creating a headache he doesn't need to.Shame on a martyr claiming friends
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I mean, your play in Radio Buzz maybe. Not so much here. I'm also reading Ali.In post 1664, House wrote:
I don't see how that's possible, tbh.In post 1661, Morning Tweet wrote:I still feel reasonably strong about House!town.
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Taly, House, imagineality could have been predicted with relative ease.In post 1667, Something_Smart wrote:More food for thought. A Bingle/me team would require believing that this was all town.
But I think it makes sense with Bingle/imaginality knowing that a few townies (Alisae, Taly) were going to be pushing Wisdom and they could hop on afterward.
And I do kinda feel that Wisdom being made the 8-ball implies that the two people who voted him the day before were probably both town? Like a Bingle/imagine team could count on at least those two, and it's easy for imagine to set up a vote on him, and then go from there. But a Bingle/Alisae team would have to keep people off of Alisae and they'd have only Bingle to help with that.- Morning Tweet
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You're like the fourth person this game to point that out lmfaoIn post 1665, Something_Smart wrote:
what is this postIn post 405, Bingle wrote:VOTE: ali
I don’t really trust this sudden shift to Wis, makes me worried he’s an 8 ball, tbh.
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I guess. Obviously I wasn't there but it does seem like imagine wouldn't have been as easy to guess as the others, especially since the big alternative is Ali/House who was imagine's other scumread.In post 1678, Morning Tweet wrote:Taly, House, imagineality could have been predicted with relative ease.Shame on a martyr claiming friends
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I know. I didn't feel like pointing it out earlier because people already had, but now I think it's worth bringing back to the light.In post 1682, Morning Tweet wrote:You're like the fourth person this game to point that out lmfaoShame on a martyr claiming friends
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It's the most suspicious post in this entire game, I'm glad you did, good memoriesIn post 1684, Something_Smart wrote:
I know. I didn't feel like pointing it out earlier because people already had, but now I think it's worth bringing back to the light.In post 1682, Morning Tweet wrote:You're like the fourth person this game to point that out lmfao- Something_Smart
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Idk why I felt like letting Bingle get away with openwolfing, I recognized how bad the posts were. Oh well
But yeah in any case with SS/imagine not being the team, House being town, and Bingle individually playing for the scumteam all game, I'm preeetty good with that read. Only problem is he is pretty much 8-ball.
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My perception is that I've been doing a reasonably good job at revealing my alignment through dynamic interactions and thoughts, whereas imaginality has played very uptight and rigid in a way that's usually not hard for scum.
Is the difficulty that you can see my play as easily coming from scum, or that you see imaginality's play as being hard to fake?Shame on a martyr claiming friends
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You have!! Correct reads!! From your PoV!! And you do next to nothing with them!!
And I know that's your playstyle!
I agree thought that your real-time interactions are always good. I thought we had the game solved for a moment yesterday with worstie/you as town. Obviously I can't help but change my mind over and over but yeah.
I can entertain both of your plays coming from scum. I agree imagine is more of an uptight game -- and he tends to have reads that can be agreeable to any gamestate.
You have reads that were really good (worst town, scumteam right) for the most part from your PoV but you didnt do anything with them. Like I had no idea who you scumread and townread without reviewing. Which I get is partially on me but you didn't try to push anyone or defend worstie, which is kind of my point.
So you're both laid-back scum, but imagine's more of a floaty kind that plays every side for the most part -- whereas you have reads but you remain so deeply embedded in the background that you don't actually influence the game with them. But then you can point to having a consistent view.
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Skimming imagine, I'm not terribly interested in the SS/imagine interaction as being anything else other than anti-partnery. I dont think it was scummy for you.
Something I just noticed, I made a mistake in my response to this. I wasn't assuming Bingle was town. I was assuming Bingle was 8-ball. Does SS!scum try to shut down Bingle's wagon..? Imagine mentions in this post that he preferred Bingle.In post 1605, imaginality wrote:
Giving him town cred for that assumes Bingle is town...In post 1598, Morning Tweet wrote:SS also shut worstie down from voting Bingle (I haven't forgotten that!). I have to give him some credit, he did dissuade the Bingle wagon by pushing that Bingle was obvious 8-ball- Something_Smart
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It's more than just my playstyle, it's my personality :XIn post 1691, Morning Tweet wrote:You have!! Correct reads!! From your PoV!! And you do next to nothing with them!!
And I know that's your playstyle!
It's also learned helplessness. There's no reason to spend effort beating my reasons into people if they're just going to disagree with the reasons and then ignore me and then I'd be derailing the thread if I kept pressing it. People are talking as if I didn't give my big reasons for townreading tw-- but I did. It was the whole bit about how scum wouldn't push Alisae SOD2. It was just widely disagreed-with, and then forgotten.Shame on a martyr claiming friends
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For what it's worth, I think the only world where me/Bingle makes any sense is if I have zero faith in my abilities upon replacing in and 8-ball myself D3. That explains why I shield Bingle behind WIFOM and also why I don't push tw. (I'd want myself to go down first, have my flip implicate tw, and then 8-ball him to win the next day.)In post 1692, Morning Tweet wrote:Something I just noticed, I made a mistake in my response to this. I wasn't assuming Bingle was town. I was assuming Bingle was 8-ball. Does SS!scum try to shut down Bingle's wagon..? Imagine mentions in this post that he preferred Bingle.
I think in that world I probably don't make the sequence starting with 1250, which is pretty blatantly motivated by self-preservation.Shame on a martyr claiming friends
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Mm, that's true. I didn't really get it at the time. If possible I'd like to make amends by talking about it a little right now.
Hiraki and the worst began D2 voting for Alisae. However, scum was banking on people thinking that "Ali is too obvious we can't kill them scum might have 8-balled them". Scum wanted to see Ali/Taly/possibly imagine vote Wisdom. So therefore it's odd for scum to try and start traction on Ali immediately at the start of the day. Do I get this right?
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That is definitely a simpler explanation than "We 8!ball Bingle but have no intention of actually flipping him, we just 8-ball him in the hopes it becomes obvious he was 8-ball and it outwifoms morning during Xylo"In post 1694, Something_Smart wrote:
For what it's worth, I think the only world where me/Bingle makes any sense is if I have zero faith in my abilities upon replacing in and 8-ball myself D3. That explains why I shield Bingle behind WIFOM and also why I don't push tw. (I'd want myself to go down first, have my flip implicate tw, and then 8-ball him to win the next day.)In post 1692, Morning Tweet wrote:Something I just noticed, I made a mistake in my response to this. I wasn't assuming Bingle was town. I was assuming Bingle was 8-ball. Does SS!scum try to shut down Bingle's wagon..? Imagine mentions in this post that he preferred Bingle.
I think in that world I probably don't make the sequence starting with 1250, which is pretty blatantly motivated by self-preservation.- Morning Tweet
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Yeah scum didn't think they were gonna kill worstie yesterday, we know that much. Scum was expecting Bingle to die. We pretty much know this.
SS did not keep Bingle on the table for an elim but he did think Bingle was scum. Imagine sussed Bingle start of day and was considering voting there, but his reads were structured in a way that he could vote worstie/SS no problem. SS had strong read on worstie that worstie was town so basically SS was locked into imagineality at that point
It's definitely an out there strategy from you if it's Bingle/imagine. It's not very simple.- imaginality
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Your version means both scum being on the 8-ball wagon which seems kind of risky to me (doubly so with the way Bingle joined it, triply so with them night killing someone who was on the wagon). Choosing a 8-ball they could have hopes town would push for them seems a smarter option.In post 1667, Something_Smart wrote:More food for thought. A Bingle/me team would require believing that this was all town.
But I think it makes sense with Bingle/imaginality knowing that a few townies (Alisae, Taly) were going to be pushing Wisdom and they could hop on afterward.
And I do kinda feel that Wisdom being made the 8-ball implies that the two people who voted him the day before were probably both town? Like a Bingle/imagine team could count on at least those two, and it's easy for imagine to set up a vote on him, and then go from there. But a Bingle/Alisae team would have to keep people off of Alisae and they'd have only Bingle to help with that.- Morning Tweet
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