Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2022 4:38 pm
Spoiler: That Idiot Ivan's role
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Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2022 4:43 pm
Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2022 6:14 pm
T3, I take it you protected Mastina over Ivan? What were you thoughts in making that choice?
Shiro, do you have any way to stop hiding, or are you locked in forever?
Shiro, do you have any way to stop hiding, or are you locked in forever?
Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2022 6:19 pm
Oh, and who was in Ivan's pt? Anything interesting happen over the night?
Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2022 6:42 pm
Turns out it was me...In post 1678, The Bombay wrote:Oh, and who was in Ivan's pt? Anything interesting happen over the night?
The mods did not send us the link, and this post is what alerted them to it.
Posted: Thu Feb 03, 2022 6:34 am
T3, could your doctor protection stop the poison kill? Similar to how Strange Matter's could?
Posted: Thu Feb 03, 2022 7:39 am
So this flip should remove all the doubt around me and 100% prove beyond a shadow of a doubt why I am conftown.
Do I need to spell it out for you?
Posted: Thu Feb 03, 2022 7:44 am
Respectfully, I believe that Shiro shouldn't share any role details.In post 1677, The Bombay wrote:T3, I take it you protected Mastina over Ivan? What were you thoughts in making that choice?
Shiro, do you have any way to stop hiding, or are you locked in forever?
While we are in Mylo with two conftown, as a precaution, we shouldn't let the scum know what they are up against.
It's like 99% just T3 here (the 1% being that it's you, Bombay), but in the very VERY unlikely event that we're wrong, better safe than sorry, and it's safer to not give the scum a roadmap for how to win.
Posted: Thu Feb 03, 2022 7:46 am
Also yes, my crier ability was unlocked, when not phoneposting or dealing with my room's rat infestation, I'll send a message.
Posted: Thu Feb 03, 2022 8:44 am
T3 scum lololol
Posted: Thu Feb 03, 2022 9:55 am
Sure, from your pov. From my pov it is 99% just T3 here (the 1% being that it's you, Mastina).In post 1682, mastina wrote:It's like 99% just T3 here (the 1% being that it's you, Bombay)
Ivan typed up a mechanical way it was still you in the hood over night (you can confirm it exists with Shiro if you would like).
It also explained how LLD was roleblocked the night she was poisoned and how Rogue performed the poison kill on LLD despite being jailkept by StrangeMatter.
I have out lined my thoughts on it for Shiro in our hood, and basically I still think it just makes sense for it to be T3.
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Asking Shiro if she can stop hiding determines if we can no kill today or not. Which, is fairly relevant in my opinion.
If she cannot stop hiding, we have to decide today.
If she can stop hiding, then we can no kill, and hedge against the 1% chance of you being scum.
Telling us this does no harm, since we never enter another night phase if she is locked in.
Posted: Thu Feb 03, 2022 1:38 pm
I cant stop hiding unless the person I am hiding behind dies.
Posted: Thu Feb 03, 2022 2:41 pm
Why am I not surprised that after the way people bullshitted a reason for me to not be conftown was literally modconfirmed false by the scumflip,In post 1685, The Bombay wrote:Ivan typed up a mechanical way it was still you in the hood over night (you can confirm it exists with Shiro if you would like).
That Ivan invented another reason for me to not be conftown?
This is literally like saying a cop clear isn't conftown because "it could be a godfather", seeing a godfather flip, and then coming up with some form of bullshit to keep the accusation going rather than accepting that maybe, just MAYBE, a player who is conftown is actually fucking conftown.
I'm town by play; I'm literally conftown from role mechanics; literally the only reason to not conftown me is based around violation after violation of occam's razor that, after being proven wrong, is replaced with a different violation of occam's razor.
There is no simple solution for me being scum.
Because the simplest explanation is that conftown is just conftown.
Posted: Thu Feb 03, 2022 3:15 pm
i protected youIn post 1680, The Bombay wrote:T3, could your doctor protection stop the poison kill? Similar to how Strange Matter's could?
idk whether the poison us stopped by my doc
i was fine letting the thread think rogue was guilty
Posted: Thu Feb 03, 2022 5:20 pm
You protected me... when I am a commuter, who was commuting...?In post 1688, T3 wrote:i protected youIn post 1680, The Bombay wrote:T3, could your doctor protection stop the poison kill? Similar to how Strange Matter's could?
idk whether the poison us stopped by my doc
i was fine letting the thread think rogue was guilty
Please ask the mods if your ability would stop the poison.
Posted: Thu Feb 03, 2022 5:40 pm
This is the big part of Ivan's case.
We have some questions here:
Who roleblocked LLD?
Why did Rogue's poison land?
Ivan's conclusion, and I agree, is that the last scum's ability made the jailkeep from StrangeMatter land on LLD
It seems unlikely that the third scum had another role block, since Suri had one, and a role block does not answer the question of how Rogue managed to carry out the kill while jailkept.
So, someone moved StrangeMatter's the jailkeep from Rogue -> LLD
The roles that could do that would be Bus Driver, Deflector, or Redirector.
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So, I think we can say that the last scum has one of those abilities. So, the question was, T3 or Mastina.
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Ivan landed on you, Mastina. You were loyal, and you targeted Rogue (who was scum). And everything moved to LLD. It moved your message and it moved the jailkeep (and if bus driver over redirector, then it also moved the poison kill that Rogue aimed at themselves).
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The alternative is that T3 is a redirector. He CANNOT be a bus driver in this scenario, because it would have moved your message to Rogue when he moved the jailkeep to LLD.
We have some questions here:
Who roleblocked LLD?
Why did Rogue's poison land?
Ivan's conclusion, and I agree, is that the last scum's ability made the jailkeep from StrangeMatter land on LLD
It seems unlikely that the third scum had another role block, since Suri had one, and a role block does not answer the question of how Rogue managed to carry out the kill while jailkept.
So, someone moved StrangeMatter's the jailkeep from Rogue -> LLD
The roles that could do that would be Bus Driver, Deflector, or Redirector.
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So, I think we can say that the last scum has one of those abilities. So, the question was, T3 or Mastina.
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Ivan landed on you, Mastina. You were loyal, and you targeted Rogue (who was scum). And everything moved to LLD. It moved your message and it moved the jailkeep (and if bus driver over redirector, then it also moved the poison kill that Rogue aimed at themselves).
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The alternative is that T3 is a redirector. He CANNOT be a bus driver in this scenario, because it would have moved your message to Rogue when he moved the jailkeep to LLD.
Posted: Thu Feb 03, 2022 5:44 pm
(Shiro I don't know if you are checking our thread, but I sent you a message in there)
Posted: Thu Feb 03, 2022 5:59 pm
This being T3's entrance to the day makes me want to yeet him on the spot.In post 1688, T3 wrote:i protected youIn post 1680, The Bombay wrote:T3, could your doctor protection stop the poison kill? Similar to how Strange Matter's could?
idk whether the poison us stopped by my doc
i was fine letting the thread think rogue was guilty
Not literally on the spot, but god
We are sitting in MELO, and he is the most likely elimination by an order of multiple magnitude, and he doesn't come in with an idea on how/why it could to be either me or Mastina?
Posted: Thu Feb 03, 2022 6:14 pm
That wouldn't work.In post 1690, The Bombay wrote:The roles that could do that would be Bus Driver, Deflector, or Redirector.
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So, I think we can say that the last scum has one of those abilities. So, the question was, T3 or Mastina.
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Ivan landed on you, Mastina. You were loyal, and you targeted Rogue (who was scum). And everything moved to LLD. It moved your message and it moved the jailkeep (and if bus driver over redirector, then it also moved the poison kill that Rogue aimed at themselves).
Loyal is a passive/modifier. It exists at every level of the order of operations. It cannot be made to succeed on someone that it shouldn't succeed on. Loyal is not based on who you TARGET; Loyal is based on who you HIT. LLD got my message, so is provably who I HIT with Loyal. (And happens to also be who I targeted but that's beside the point.) It doesn't matter if I
had
been redirected, Loyal trumps redirect because Loyal is a passive/modifier to a role and not something that works on initial target but on final target.Plus, miscellaneous actions are after redirect actions per NAR. The action would never land on Rogue in the first place because it'd be redirected
before
landing on Rogue, not after.Posted: Thu Feb 03, 2022 6:21 pm
I have not asked the mods, but Ivan said that she did ask. She said their take was that modifiers resolved before a bus driver, and confirmed that a loyal player could target someone of their same alignment, and then be bus driven to someone of the other alignment.
Posted: Thu Feb 03, 2022 6:24 pm
In post 1694, The Bombay wrote:She said their take was that modifierchecksresolved before a bus driver
Posted: Thu Feb 03, 2022 6:41 pm
This is the wording on the wikiIt causes the role to behave as though it were roleblocked unless the target has the same alignment as the user.
Ivan confirmed that in this scenario the "target" would have been rogue, and the loyal check would pass prior to the bus driver happening.
Posted: Thu Feb 03, 2022 10:55 pm
bombay is scum, because mastina is town.
Posted: Thu Feb 03, 2022 11:10 pm
i have said previously that mastina is town.
Posted: Fri Feb 04, 2022 6:06 am
You don't believe that though. If you did why do you keep using your doctor heal on us and letting us boss around your night action?