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Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2022 1:31 am
by Mizzytastic
In post 1672, mastina wrote:MOD: Would an activated Informed be possible to be roleblocked?
E.g. if an Informed were part of a JOAT, could the information fail to be given if roleblocked?
(This is something I don't think the NRG has an answer for due to how niche it is. I'm on the NRG and I don't know the answer to this, to give you an idea of how niche it is, so I don't think we have it standardized meaning I do need to ask the mod about it.)
An activated informed would not be blocked.
Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2022 3:36 am
by House
It would be hilarious if zefiend retracted his claim that he jailed Scorpious because then nobody could even pretend to believe his ridiculous claimed actions.
Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2022 3:47 am
by Dwlee99
Did we ever figure out what could have stopped Scorpius N1 result?
Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2022 4:28 am
by Scorpious
In post 1676, House wrote:It would be hilarious if zefiend retracted his claim that he jailed Scorpious because then nobody could even pretend to believe his ridiculous claimed actions.
I know you know what you're doing?
wanna get out of your tunnel and try to help ?
Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2022 4:35 am
by Enchant
In post 1675, Mizzytastic wrote: In post 1672, mastina wrote:MOD: Would an activated Informed be possible to be roleblocked?
E.g. if an Informed were part of a JOAT, could the information fail to be given if roleblocked?
(This is something I don't think the NRG has an answer for due to how niche it is. I'm on the NRG and I don't know the answer to this, to give you an idea of how niche it is, so I don't think we have it standardized meaning I do need to ask the mod about it.)
An activated informed would not be blocked.
Then leaving Scorpious alive for night makes sense.
Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2022 4:35 am
by Enchant
Yes, we did, it's... *dies*
Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2022 5:07 am
by Taly
Did
Scorp
claim vig? Why hasn't he used that yet if so?
Once again I forgot who
zefiend
jailed omg
Mech is not my strong suit
Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2022 5:10 am
by Taly
In post 1653, Galron wrote:I think it's going to take a good read of some ISOs. But I've not been in a position to do that. A mass claim would supplement that.
But this thing with mastina is really bugging me. One of the problems with my theory is that scum wouldn't have killed Cheeky though because that exposes the illogic of mastina's postings
.
Bingo
Similar reason I'm entertaining
Enchant's
reservation on
Scorp
Mastina
and you flesh out your
Dwlee
read?
Damn it
House
, I'm leaning on
Enchant/Titus
T/T and that whole dynamic creates an impass for town majority. Am I misreading?
We can't all be town so um
Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2022 5:11 am
by Taly
I don't have the energy to commit violence on this plist so
Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2022 5:12 am
by Taly
Titus
you feel passive this game, should I be concerned?
Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2022 5:14 am
by Taly
Scorp/Dwlee
don't seem S/S, seems like a lot of unnecessary bussing
Half baked thought still thinking
Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2022 6:31 am
by Titus
In post 1684, Taly wrote:Titus
you feel passive this game, should I be concerned?
I understand but I've been prepping for my homicide trial. I'll know if it goes in about two hours. I was about to ask House if I should make the decision on who to lim since you haven't.
I'm a bit uncertain about who to lim. Normally I would say Scorpious but with this much resistance, I'm doubting it.
Zefiend allegedly jailed Scorpious.
Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2022 6:32 am
by Titus
I made calls early.
Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2022 6:45 am
by Titus
Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2022 6:57 am
by Enchant
My suggestion:
We lim... Someone, expect for Scorpious and Jailkeeper. Idk didn't decide yet, but killing Titus is tempting i am not joking.
Scorpious uses Informed. This ability can't be roleblocked as mod told. You "can" try to use Vigilante instead, and i am telling this only to wifo mafia in wasting roleblock on you (Or laugh at you). It's Higher Risk, High Reward: Fail, and we will murder you. Success, and you go in "Confirmed Townie" as Vigilante is onlytown power.
Jailkeeper... Jails someone. I don't think it's good idea to tell who, but again, Scorpious could be jailed again: Informed can't be RBed. I suggesting protecting more townie players though.
Others do you do.
Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2022 7:11 am
by Titus
Enchant, the problem with not eliminating Scorpious or Zefiend is this problem goes to elo possibly. I don't particularly trust you either and I've said so the whole game. This feels like an attempt to get to elo and eliminate the wrong one. This is particularly true if it's T v T.
To propose eliminating outside the two means Scorpious was the nk. Why would Scorpious be the nk?
Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2022 7:20 am
by Greeting
In post 1642, Titus wrote:
Are you of the opinion that scum no killed to keep the miseliminations going or that scum are capitalizing on a Scorpious kill failing?
An off the wall kill isn't completely unheard of in a spot like this but unlikely.
I wanted to establish how many power roles town has to figure out whether both
ɀefiend
's
Scorpious
' claims can be true.
Before today, I believed
ɀefiend
's claim of Jailkeeper to be likely true and was in the mindset that they successfully jailed
Scorpious
.
But today morning Newbie 2086 ended and so has my gag order on speaking about it. That was a game I played with
ɀefiend
. I was town and
ɀefiend
was the last scum, successfully voted out in ELo. When I glanced at the Mafia chat of that game, it turned out that he is fully capable of misleading town over WIFOM.
ɀefiend
did in fact engage in something which was explicitly meant to confuse town by killing off someone who was almost a day miselim Day 2 (that is, me). I believed it to not make sense with
ɀefiend
-scum in the Dead Thread. I was wrong.
So, as of now, I believe both scenarios to be equally likely, because scum-
ɀefiend
would definitely be capable of doing a no kill and later saying they jailkept someone.
I also haven't forgotten at all about my elim pool from Day 2 and
ɀefiend
was in that group.
Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2022 7:25 am
by Greeting
I am also, rather frustrated, because I feel like it is possible to make a good choice of a player to vote out today with a reasonable chance of hitting scum, but the facts in the game seem to be spread out all over and a logical conclusion keeps eluding me even though I desperately keep trying to reach it.
Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2022 7:26 am
by Enchant
I want murder Scorpios.
I also don't want waste potential information from informed.
Idk i am wealking can't even murder without hesitations, give me times when i just hammered shit out of everything please, but we should consider, is potential for intel or perhaps vig shot are worth of elimming elsewhere?
Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2022 7:43 am
by Greeting
In post 1673, mastina wrote:
In post 1647, Greeting wrote:Is there a way to figure out if town has more than 3 power roles given a balanced setup?
I need someone who is more experienced in mafia setups to help me with this. It's really important.
I'm a NRG member, I can give the rundown on NRG balance fairly well.
General balance in games is 3-4 town PRs of moderate-strong (emphasis
moderate
) strength, versus all goons (or one, fairly weak, scum role).
The more/stronger roles you add to one side, the more you need to compensate on the other side.
One strong scum PR means you need 4 strong town PRs or 5 moderately strong town PRs.
Two (moderate) scum PRs means you need 4-6 town PRs. 4 if really strong, 6 if fairly weak.
Two strong scum PRs means you need 5-6 town PRs, 5 if fairly strong, 6 if fairly weak.
Three scum PRs means you need 5-6 town PRs. You can't really have three strong scum PRs because that'd push the town's PRs into too absurdly strong/numerous, so three scum PRs would be comparatively weak.
Now, granted.
One weak scum PR means you need only 3-4 moderate to strong (but emphasis strong in this case) town PRs.
Two weak scum PRs means you need only 4-5 town PRs of moderate strength.
And these are just general guidelines. The specifics vary widely, depending on the setup.
But it gives you a decent starting point.
I'll be able to give you a damn good idea come massclaim, assuming I survive to see tomorrow. (Again, we shouldn't massclaim today, we should tomorrow, so not a guarantee I live sadly. But if I do? I can break the game from the claims.)
I usually don't use
normie memes, but this one seems to fit too well not to be used.
Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2022 7:47 am
by Dwlee99
There had to be a roleblock on Scorpius though even if zefiend is scum cause scorpius claimed no result.
Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2022 7:51 am
by Taly
greeting
are we the same person from different timelines
Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2022 7:58 am
by Greeting
There is a 62.5% likelihood of there being three mafia power roles. Let's assume that this game does have three mafia power roles.
So, most likely, we have three, up to four, town power roles. It's unlikely there's less than three or more than four.
CheekyTeeky
had a town power role. That means that there's most likely two, up to three town power roles left in the game.
So far we have two claims: from
ɀefiend
- Jailkeeper and from
Scorpious
- 1-shot Neapolitan.
mastina
, do you think that it's likely for more than one town investigative role to exist in this game?
Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2022 8:05 am
by Greeting
In post 1696, Taly wrote:greeting
are we the same person from different timelines
Well... we do have too much in common to not consider this perspective!
Note that I've bolded player names completely independently of you. I did that in a game where I played with your non-player-name-bolding alt (Open 838), but also other games before that game and had absolutely no knowledge that you did that whatsoever. And that only seems to open the list of similarities.
Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2022 9:25 am
by Mizzytastic
Aaaand