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In post 1670, the worst wrote:greeting is one of:
- profoundly confirmation biased and unable to change his reads;
- trying not to spew partners
lol

Really? As far as I remember I was going after numerous players before settling on you.

the worst wrote:greeting, i literally started your wagon.

That might have been with your naked vote. But it’s who gave the reasoning and who gave the drive. You’ve been just sitting on it.

In post 1675, Greeting wrote:Really? As far as I remember I was going after numerous players before settling on you.

"Going after" is self-serving; this is the first thing I've actually seen you putting any effort into

In post 1675, Greeting wrote:That might have been with your naked vote. But it’s fireisredsir who gave the reasoning and Nero Cain who gave the drive. You’ve been just sitting on it.

i'm fine with this characterisation ftr. i'm not as vocal as fire or nero and won't pretend i am.

In post 1676, the worst wrote:

In post 1675, Greeting wrote:Really? As far as I remember I was going after numerous players before settling on you.

"Going after" is self-serving; this is the first thing I've actually seen you putting any effort into

And once again you're redirecting the conversation from me pointing out that you claiming I have confirmation bias is just plain wrong and contradicted by the fact that I had suspected many players before you.

Confirmation bias is what is experiencing, following me around for about half of Day 1 and insisting on interpreting anything I said in a scummy way, ignoring any evidence pointing to the opposite. That's something I'm just not going to argue with, because in his mind even me trying to change his mind will probably be read as scummy.

My current view is that you're trying to make yourself look less bad after I came after you a few posts ago. I was close to being miselimmed (and still am) and then you withdrew right after I named you as one of my two prime suspects.

Anyway, I'm off for the night.

In post 1677, Greeting wrote:o

Suspecting players is fine. I suspect lots of things. You just haven't done anything meaningful to try and advance your suspicions before now.

Brutal honesty mode: Idrm about you having me as one of your prime suspects. My wincon isn't to avoid your suspicion - it's to eliminate 3 scum. Even if i were scum, my wincon is getting enough miselims to get my teammates to the end. There's just no world where I really give a stuff what you think about me on day one. At best, I care about your alignment; at worst, I care about the way you look to others. You've shown yourself to be pretty ineffectual in this game, so you're probably the least daunting player here fmpov.

I don't really think there's a point to me continuing this convo going, Greeting. I'm not going to convince you that you're wrong on me, and trying is boring. What you're pushing me for is already at odds with reality, and until you've taken a step back and assessed how one-dimensional your reads are, we're not going to accomplish anything.

You are fun to interact with though, so hmu if you do want to talk about more interesting stuff. I'm just not gonna do all the work next time.

pedit: nightnight

In post 1677, Greeting wrote:Confirmation bias is what fireisredsir is experiencing, following me around for about half of Day 1 and insisting on interpreting anything I said in a scummy way, ignoring any evidence pointing to the opposite. That's something I'm just not going to argue with, because in his mind even me trying to change his mind will probably be read as scummy.

this is just wrong, ive barely talked about or interacted with you at all until recently. there were a couple early things i questioned you on but it was all side notes, a lot less than my engagement with other people. you were never my focus or even that much of a scumread for me until i started looking closer right before I voted. why is your perception so different?

anyone played with Greeting before? I realllllllllly don't feel like trying to do meta

i read some and he's usually more gamesolve-y imo. confident (overly confident sometimes), not really the lurk and coast type. early this game he felt more nervous and not so pushy. i think he looks more like his usual self lately since he started actually engaging with things, which is part of why it's funny that he thinks I have confirmation bias

That's what I'm wondering. Having a totally warped perspective of the gamestate but being pretty indignant is usually a sign of one alignment or the other based on personality type, i guess (super lazily: it's either sincere/stubborn town or hilariously cheeky scumming).

Kinda phoning in the first 2/3-3/4 of the phase is a pretty solid scum indicator, but it is actually also consistent with overwhelmed town.
I can kinda see worlds where this as someone who's been bored up til he feels the craving for vindication about something (s/s duck/nero being out for his blood???)?

Do you have a lot of mafia experience prior to your join date, fire?

the town explanation here imo is that he wanted to play things slow and quiet to avoid getting elimmed like he does every game, since town can want that too, but meh, i still think it looks like scum behavior. i don't really buy overwhelmed

yessir a bit, more chat mafia tho

that's fair, i don't judge the scumread poorly and would probably still yeet greeting without many regrets. i think my reads are somewhere like

{duck}
{wave,fire}
{stephen, angel, hockey?}
{greeting???, eyes?}
{dwlee,nero,umlaut}
{scorp,andante}

and i'd kill anything in the bottom 3 brackets so i'm kinda looking for townreads lol


thanks; that makes sense.

In post 1666, wavemode wrote:

In post 1664, Scorpious wrote:This is so weak. its sad..

yeah, your case is pretty weak. and it is kind of sad

You just stopped recess with that comeback.

Nice deflection .

You literally could have picked 100 things to come back at me with and you chose the most benign ineffectual thing you could. Why? Because the list and you and you’re wit are lacking severely.

I would ask you what was benign or ineffectual about anything I said

but I already know you have no answer to that question and are just floundering, caught scum at this point

wave just wondering have you looked at any of scorpio's past games

@wave, can I have an answe to 1622

In post 1689, wavemode wrote:I would ask you what was benign or ineffectual about anything I said

but I already know you have no answer to that question and are just floundering, caught scum at this point

You said you changed your read a little bit on FA… that’s it.

No mention of wagons or votes or someone’s play just the easiest thing you could pull off the top of your head.

More to come

In post 1690, fireisredsir wrote:wave just wondering have you looked at any of scorpio's past games

lightly but I haven't combed through them. to be perfectly honest with you I don't pay that much attention to meta these days. it's just so unreliable

that's something I tried to argue with mathdino about in an open we played not too long ago, when he was hard townreading uglyduck on the basis of meta (and basically telling me I needed to back off) but I persisted and pushed through uglyduck's elimination anyway and he was scum. meh

In post 1691, HockeyFan wrote:@wave, can I have an answe to 1622

you didn't ask me a question in 1622

you disagree with the townread? okay. but, what specifically are you asking me?

In post 1692, Scorpious wrote:You said you changed your read a little bit on FA… that’s it.

No mention of wagons or votes or someone’s play just the easiest thing you could pull off the top of your head.

More to come

this coming from the guy who randomly wanted to eliminate umlaut very shortly after he joined the game purely because you felt like he wasn't contributing enough remember that?

you should really be self-voting at this point if these things you keep saying are actually things you believe people should be scumread for

In post 1695, wavemode wrote:

In post 1692, Scorpious wrote:You said you changed your read a little bit on FA… that’s it.

No mention of wagons or votes or someone’s play just the easiest thing you could pull off the top of your head.

More to come

this coming from the guy who randomly wanted to eliminate umlaut very shortly after he joined the game purely because you felt like he wasn't contributing enough remember that?

you should really be self-voting at this point if these things you keep saying are actually things you believe people should be scumread for

Ease up tough guy… you’re cool, and so good at this.we get it.

let's recap this conversation

scorp: I now scumread wavemode, because his reads didn't change enough since an arbitrary number of posts ago
wave: um... so?
scorp: (doesn't answer)
wave: so? how does that make someone scum?
scorp: well it means if you're town, you must be stubborn town
wave: uhhh okay...? also, why not scumread other people who have stuck with their reads all game?
scorp: uh well, they didnt post lists
wave: ummm so because they didn't post lists you weren't keeping track of anyone's reads? why not?
scorp: well, I was keeping track of their reads
wave: okay, so... what are their reads? and why don't you scumread them?
scorp: (doesn't answer)
scorp: by the way what's been the most significant things that's happened this game?
wave: wtf kind of question is that? alright whatever, here's an example
scorp: that's a bad example

In post 1693, wavemode wrote:

In post 1690, fireisredsir wrote:wave just wondering have you looked at any of scorpio's past games

lightly but I haven't combed through them. to be perfectly honest with you I don't pay that much attention to meta these days. it's just so unreliable

that's something I tried to argue with mathdino about in an open we played not too long ago, when he was hard townreading uglyduck on the basis of meta (and basically telling me I needed to back off) but I persisted and pushed through uglyduck's elimination anyway and he was scum. meh

i don't think you should be townreading him for it. im not. but it is giving me doubt, and i don't think that you should have the level of certainty that you're expressing here

Ironic,
I’m the “caught scum” and you’re the one flailing.