Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2022 3:12 pm
If it was in fact a bad reason and made no sense, yeah, probably.
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Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2022 3:13 pm
That is the process of questioning and determining the legitimacy of reads when you are skeptical of them, you are correct.
Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2022 3:26 pm
Being more specific, if there's no qualitative reason about my play for you to vote me, and you didn't think the mech was very indicative, it doesn't really make sense to vote me over a scumread. You gave
You were eager to call my posting early and as the game went on and I started doing more and more that is blatantly suicidal as scum it got handwaived.
and that was really about it until the yolo vote. The yolo vote didn't surprise me, but not touching any of my content with a 10 ft pole does, and 1043 was not an accurate portrayal of my point.In post 808, Dwlee99 wrote:I think Prism is mildly townie but I wouldn't mind flipping cause ascetic claim + scary + novice mailman
You were eager to call my posting early and as the game went on and I started doing more and more that is blatantly suicidal as scum it got handwaived.
Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2022 3:29 pm
I don't really have scumreads anymore and I have no read on you to be questioned cause I don't have a read on you
Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2022 3:31 pm
How do u not have any scumreads at this point?
Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2022 3:42 pm
still would like a reason for town vp, dwlee
Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2022 3:42 pm
bruhIn post 1403, Dwlee99 wrote:You [Prism, not fire] can't just be like "Yea this group of four could have scum but let's not lim there" in a 9p with 2 scumIn post 1397, fireisredsir wrote:i would prefer there not be a lim on prism, enchant, ari, shuichi. could be scum in there, but i don't want it today. probably would lean away from skitter at this point. really would like vp and i think it's doable. not sure on dwlee and datisi.
also this whole time I thought this post was referencing my pool+the vote on me not the fire pool in the quote welp
Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2022 3:42 pm
Didn't edit out the [Prism, not fire] after realizing the second line lmao
Nobody hire me to revise their school papers
Nobody hire me to revise their school papers
Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2022 3:47 pm
Why would you think this was referencing you?In post 1681, Prism wrote:bruhIn post 1403, Dwlee99 wrote:You [Prism, not fire] can't just be like "Yea this group of four could have scum but let's not lim there" in a 9p with 2 scumIn post 1397, fireisredsir wrote:i would prefer there not be a lim on prism, enchant, ari, shuichi. could be scum in there, but i don't want it today. probably would lean away from skitter at this point. really would like vp and i think it's doable. not sure on dwlee and datisi.
also this whole time I thought this post was referencing my pool+the vote on me not the fire pool in the quote welp
Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2022 3:49 pm
In post 1394, Dwlee99 wrote:VOTE: prism
I think this is the best worst-case we can get here cause of the ascetic claim. Small brain simple thoughts.
I had just given a pool of four at the same time, and Dwlee had just voted me. I interpreted "you" as selling fire that it was a reason to vote me.In post 1398, Prism wrote:My pool is basically {Baltar, Enchant, Cephrir, Dwlee} unless there is a very good reason to go elsewhere and I am probably still better than Ceph/Dwlee.
Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2022 3:50 pm
Works Cited:
In post 1408, Prism wrote:The pool is literally the people I am willing to eliminate, where 2 are better options IMO than the other 2.In post 1403, Dwlee99 wrote:You can't just be like "Yea this group of four could have scum but let's not lim there" in a 9p with 2 scumIn post 1397, fireisredsir wrote:i would prefer there not be a lim on prism, enchant, ari, shuichi. could be scum in there, but i don't want it today. probably would lean away from skitter at this point. really would like vp and i think it's doable. not sure on dwlee and datisi.
Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2022 3:51 pm
Hrm ok
Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2022 4:18 pm
im gonna get rid of the quote stripes. i think it's making my posts boring since im not getting engaged on them much
ok so i cant analyze baltar and be genuine without going here, so im in a neighborhood with datisi and baltar
while im going there. datisi has been a paranoia machine in there and posted an absolute fuckton. this is why im townreading datisi for seemingly no reason.
the two of them have been sorting each other but at this point i think it's just a pocket attempt and i think baltar would have managed to put more town seeming thoughts in there if he had any town thoughts. it just seems like posting just to post to me. and i don't really believe his read prog on datisi because like it's been allegedly town for a million years yet we still keep throwing in some pArAnOiA cUrVeBaLls that i perceive as not real on account of his allegedly being town on datisi for more than half the volume of the hood
i think ive been stopping myself from feeling this read because i wanted the hood to stay hidden.
we all remember baltar's over the top skitter push at the start of the game so i won't bombard you with quotes. the certainty level was goofy and i thought it was goofy at the time. im calling this phenomenon fake bravado
212 is a different flavor of fake bravado. imo mostly scum do this I LAUGH IN THE FACE OF DANGER HA HA HA thing when there is no actual danger
217 claims that a joke post from him was actually a reaction test and that's pretty dumb. possible motive in the revisionism is to protect dwlee from one of the first serious attacks of the game in a way by backing up the idea that 27 was a content post that contained thoughts
im now reading his discussion of "awkwardness" again (255 for a shortcut) and failing to square that with his fire read in the present. awkwardness is allegedly the main way to catch scum d1 but fire hasn't been awkward
229 is another big stretch to attack skitter. i think he genuinely wanted to have a skitter elim happen on page 9 and has had to pretend this was town motivated somehow later
234 is trying so fucking hard to find reasons to scumread skitter that basically don't exist
i first picked on the bravado in 216 and got ignored. then in 263 i am crumbing baltar to look at the neighborhood where i am again trying to get an answer. at this point he admits in the hood that he is indeed faking the read strength
302 is interesting to me because baltar has already addressed fire's concern about dwlee, so he absolutely already knows that is the reason for fire's vote and this post exists only to throw shade on it and is not a good faith question
307 / 309 - i wonder if 307 actually does mean what it says and 309 was a cover up. maybe he knows something about the setup that makes it hard to hide. perhaps he's sweating because he's scum in a neighborhood, which does indeed make it harder to hide
406 is just digging for more reasons to elim skitter that don't exist. to me how this post sounds is "it's early game, so yeah, my reasons for pushing you [editor's note: really hard] were dogshit! i can't believe you would suspect me for having dogshit reasons!" this doesn't make sense because he's expecting skitter to have non-dogshit reasons while insisting he is allowed to have those
also hey! see how the admission i got in the hood that this bravado was fake still hasn't appeared in the thread? maybe that's because this is a push with an agenda and the thing said in the hood was purely to appease me. ugh fine i guess it finally makes it to the thread in 421 damn
as i already said in 491, the whole line of reasoning about skitter not mentioning whatever the fuck it was that she mentioned was a shitpush. if he had backed off after she completely obliterated the point i'd say ok cool you just didn't do your research i do that all the time
but instead 488 is what occurs, where baltar moves the goalposts by pulling up skitter's posts that prove his initial point wrong and takes them down with such eloquent arguments as "you said "probably" so this post doesn't count as existing"
and 501 is mostly just funny
418 has an absurd premise that it's weird for skitter to want him to answer my/fire's questions and harp on it
people like questions to get answered and tend to think there's a reason if they go unanswered this isn't news
465 "but what about skitter she did it worse!" is an interesting end to a post that begins with an admission of bad faith
544 characterizing skitter's entire line of play as omgus is nonsense. just reads like an attempt to discourage anyone from listening to her. he's still pushing this in 612 and notably still thinks i can be brought onside here
btw if i ever said these two could be partners, withdrawn. i doubt it.
691 has been brought up before but im trying to be somewhat comprehensive here. trash reason to attack fire. this has been a theme.
by the same token re: comprehensiveness, 712 still makes little sense from a town mindset. if skitter is scum she has only one partner (if you're mathing her as town on the other hand, ...)
777 to me is a reversal of style. earlier, baltar indicated that his strategy is to make pushes he's not completely sure about and see what falls out, like he did with skitter. yet this isn't the post of a player with that style. if you don't have a confident scumread, why not try to find one like you were earlier
think this was just playing into the town's general sentiment of feeling lost
How do you make a post like 1171 while STILL TO DATE as in literally today april 19, acting paranoid of datisi in the hood?
maybe this isn't a scum point but i'm still mad about 1182 for being mean and making me feel bad. kinda discredits my entire existence by implying i'm a worthless player but i know that's mainly the being frustrated by it talking
now the other reason i wanted to talk about the hood at all. just a few hours before posting his recent readlist, baltar asks me in the hood if fire might be pocketing me. and i even fall for this, i think i mentioned it in my fire wall. but allegedly, prism/fire/me is his entire scum pool at this point,
and a relevant aside here, hood comments from him indicate that the readlist in 1200 is stronger than it looks and he allegedly feels very confident all the scum are in the bottom 3,
so it seems strange to come from a perspective of assuming i am town. i think the purpose of this was to plant seeds to try to stop this budding alliance of sorts to prevent me from working to keep fire around. tbh if prism isn't scum then 1501 is a similar tack
1216 - "hey remember how i basically saved your life? you should townread me for that!"
i know it's not popular now but i actually agree with fire's take that vp should be trying to pair him with prism and it was odd that there wasn't more of a reaction to fire refusing to read prism. i feel like i mentioned this already.
im not gonna vote until i finish with my persons of interest but i doubt i will end up voting somewhere else.
ok so i cant analyze baltar and be genuine without going here, so im in a neighborhood with datisi and baltar
while im going there. datisi has been a paranoia machine in there and posted an absolute fuckton. this is why im townreading datisi for seemingly no reason.
the two of them have been sorting each other but at this point i think it's just a pocket attempt and i think baltar would have managed to put more town seeming thoughts in there if he had any town thoughts. it just seems like posting just to post to me. and i don't really believe his read prog on datisi because like it's been allegedly town for a million years yet we still keep throwing in some pArAnOiA cUrVeBaLls that i perceive as not real on account of his allegedly being town on datisi for more than half the volume of the hood
i think ive been stopping myself from feeling this read because i wanted the hood to stay hidden.
we all remember baltar's over the top skitter push at the start of the game so i won't bombard you with quotes. the certainty level was goofy and i thought it was goofy at the time. im calling this phenomenon fake bravado
212 is a different flavor of fake bravado. imo mostly scum do this I LAUGH IN THE FACE OF DANGER HA HA HA thing when there is no actual danger
217 claims that a joke post from him was actually a reaction test and that's pretty dumb. possible motive in the revisionism is to protect dwlee from one of the first serious attacks of the game in a way by backing up the idea that 27 was a content post that contained thoughts
im now reading his discussion of "awkwardness" again (255 for a shortcut) and failing to square that with his fire read in the present. awkwardness is allegedly the main way to catch scum d1 but fire hasn't been awkward
229 is another big stretch to attack skitter. i think he genuinely wanted to have a skitter elim happen on page 9 and has had to pretend this was town motivated somehow later
234 is trying so fucking hard to find reasons to scumread skitter that basically don't exist
i first picked on the bravado in 216 and got ignored. then in 263 i am crumbing baltar to look at the neighborhood where i am again trying to get an answer. at this point he admits in the hood that he is indeed faking the read strength
302 is interesting to me because baltar has already addressed fire's concern about dwlee, so he absolutely already knows that is the reason for fire's vote and this post exists only to throw shade on it and is not a good faith question
307 / 309 - i wonder if 307 actually does mean what it says and 309 was a cover up. maybe he knows something about the setup that makes it hard to hide. perhaps he's sweating because he's scum in a neighborhood, which does indeed make it harder to hide
406 is just digging for more reasons to elim skitter that don't exist. to me how this post sounds is "it's early game, so yeah, my reasons for pushing you [editor's note: really hard] were dogshit! i can't believe you would suspect me for having dogshit reasons!" this doesn't make sense because he's expecting skitter to have non-dogshit reasons while insisting he is allowed to have those
also hey! see how the admission i got in the hood that this bravado was fake still hasn't appeared in the thread? maybe that's because this is a push with an agenda and the thing said in the hood was purely to appease me. ugh fine i guess it finally makes it to the thread in 421 damn
as i already said in 491, the whole line of reasoning about skitter not mentioning whatever the fuck it was that she mentioned was a shitpush. if he had backed off after she completely obliterated the point i'd say ok cool you just didn't do your research i do that all the time
but instead 488 is what occurs, where baltar moves the goalposts by pulling up skitter's posts that prove his initial point wrong and takes them down with such eloquent arguments as "you said "probably" so this post doesn't count as existing"
and 501 is mostly just funny
418 has an absurd premise that it's weird for skitter to want him to answer my/fire's questions and harp on it
people like questions to get answered and tend to think there's a reason if they go unanswered this isn't news
465 "but what about skitter she did it worse!" is an interesting end to a post that begins with an admission of bad faith
544 characterizing skitter's entire line of play as omgus is nonsense. just reads like an attempt to discourage anyone from listening to her. he's still pushing this in 612 and notably still thinks i can be brought onside here
btw if i ever said these two could be partners, withdrawn. i doubt it.
691 has been brought up before but im trying to be somewhat comprehensive here. trash reason to attack fire. this has been a theme.
by the same token re: comprehensiveness, 712 still makes little sense from a town mindset. if skitter is scum she has only one partner (if you're mathing her as town on the other hand, ...)
777 to me is a reversal of style. earlier, baltar indicated that his strategy is to make pushes he's not completely sure about and see what falls out, like he did with skitter. yet this isn't the post of a player with that style. if you don't have a confident scumread, why not try to find one like you were earlier
think this was just playing into the town's general sentiment of feeling lost
How do you make a post like 1171 while STILL TO DATE as in literally today april 19, acting paranoid of datisi in the hood?
maybe this isn't a scum point but i'm still mad about 1182 for being mean and making me feel bad. kinda discredits my entire existence by implying i'm a worthless player but i know that's mainly the being frustrated by it talking
now the other reason i wanted to talk about the hood at all. just a few hours before posting his recent readlist, baltar asks me in the hood if fire might be pocketing me. and i even fall for this, i think i mentioned it in my fire wall. but allegedly, prism/fire/me is his entire scum pool at this point,
and a relevant aside here, hood comments from him indicate that the readlist in 1200 is stronger than it looks and he allegedly feels very confident all the scum are in the bottom 3,
so it seems strange to come from a perspective of assuming i am town. i think the purpose of this was to plant seeds to try to stop this budding alliance of sorts to prevent me from working to keep fire around. tbh if prism isn't scum then 1501 is a similar tack
1216 - "hey remember how i basically saved your life? you should townread me for that!"
i know it's not popular now but i actually agree with fire's take that vp should be trying to pair him with prism and it was odd that there wasn't more of a reaction to fire refusing to read prism. i feel like i mentioned this already.
im not gonna vote until i finish with my persons of interest but i doubt i will end up voting somewhere else.
Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2022 4:20 pm
Bizarely this gives credence in my mind to scum-prism ...In post 1687, Shuichi Saihara wrote:ok so i cant analyze baltar and be genuine without going here, so im in a neighborhood with datisi and baltar
Also uh yeah there's almost 100% scum in you three
Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2022 4:23 pm
We really are massclaiming Day 1. Beautiful.
I know that's about Baltar but Datisi scum might be back on the menu, F. Will tackle the actual substance later.
I know that's about Baltar but Datisi scum might be back on the menu, F. Will tackle the actual substance later.
Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2022 4:23 pm
i dont generally believe in the "every neighborhood must contain scum" thing. it's lazy and players should be read based on their content
Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2022 4:25 pm
This is wild. We agreed to keep the hood quiet D1 and suichi out here making unilateral moves to out it.
I am not going to read this wall in detail RN, but I don't love this development
I am not going to read this wall in detail RN, but I don't love this development
Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2022 4:26 pm
I mean, it worked ...In post 1687, Shuichi Saihara wrote:he's still pushing this in 612 and notably still thinks i can be brought onside here
Pedit it could be, sure. But until/unless i have a reason to think otherwise i'm gonnna stick with that
Also ur point about vpb not solving in the hood is interesting, see the recent 19p game where he was town in the hood and was using that to solve p heavily there
(And hey i was scum in that hood!)
Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2022 4:27 pm
like you weren't just threatening to out it yourself... you know datisi can see that rightIn post 1691, VP Baltar wrote:This is wild. We agreed to keep the hood quiet D1 and suichi out here making unilateral moves to out it.
I am not going to read this wall in detail RN, but I don't love this development
Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2022 4:28 pm
I am solving in the hood though with datisi. I think suichi is feelingoutIn post 1692, skitter30 wrote:Also ur point about vpb not solving in the hood is interesting,
Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2022 4:29 pm
did i say he wasnt solving, i didnt think i said that. imo the main thrust has been sorting datisi tho. i could probably reread it to come down on whether there is also solving or not but i mainly just referenced particular events from it that have been living in my brainIn post 1692, skitter30 wrote:I mean, it worked ...In post 1687, Shuichi Saihara wrote:he's still pushing this in 612 and notably still thinks i can be brought onside here
Pedit it could be, sure. But until/unless i have a reason to think otherwise i'm gonnna stick with that
Also ur point about vpb not solving in the hood is interesting, see the recent 19p game where he was town in the hood and was using that to solve p heavily there
(And hey i was scum in that hood!)
Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2022 4:29 pm
I mean ceph is claiming you're paranoia-scumreading dats in the hood
I suppose we shall have to wait until after dats' test to get The Truth
I suppose we shall have to wait until after dats' test to get The Truth
Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2022 4:30 pm
I know this is not about my constant antagonism/outright trolling at times, but I want to make it clear that I am aware of how it comes off and the concerns it creates. I'm not really inclined to rein them in; if you think I don't know better as scum and doubt the read on that basis it is on you. Refuge in audacity is viable but I am very, very deft with my footwork and timing. I'm just having fun.In post 1688, skitter30 wrote:Bizarely this gives credence in my mind to scum-prism ...
Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2022 4:32 pm
First thought is that I find it unlikely scum aren't in a neighborhood or have some adjacent role given the claims we've seen on the table BTW, eg. mailman
Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2022 4:36 pm
Oh i got 'vpb isnt really solving there' out of this but maybe i read it wrong, in which case i retract that bitIn post 1687, Shuichi Saihara wrote:datisi has been a paranoia machine in there and posted an absolute fuckton. this is why im townreading datisi for seemingly no reason.
the two of them have been sorting each other but at this point i think it's just a pocket attempt and i think baltar would have managed to put more town seeming thoughts in there if he had any town thoughts. it just seems like posting just to post to me.
Pedit i think the trolling is hilarious, and i think (?) i'm taking it entirely in the vein its written in and i dont scumread you for it
That comment was entirely a mechanics-based comment, i think the hood basically exists to give the bunyip red herrings (one of which is actually scum, see: the prior boon setup with the bunyip and scum ascetic and scum in hood)
And to make the ascetic the token 'extra special red herring' which in my mind feels kinda scummy but idk