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In post 1609, xofelf wrote:HEM check: Also somebody who makes me smile to read. A bit more aggressive style, but it's consistently so and not defensive or mean. It works for me. It's a lot more reactiony, which is fine. That being said, it feels like he's got cards to play but he's keeping them to himself and only teasing hints of them now and then. I don't think it's AI. It's just more, has a reason to only share thoughts when they're relevant and the most likely to get genuine reactions from their thoughts. Precise is probably more correct. It reminds me of what I've liked from FlavorLeaf in the past. I largely feel good about him. It's just as possible this is just good scumplay, but nah I don't think so.

why do i think like this didn't really solve me, just flatter me

In post 1667, Nero Cain wrote:What's that again?

I haven't been able to locate the primary source. My interpretation:

If a shitposter shitposts and doesn't try to convince anyone they're town then they're probably town.

In post 1648, Dannflor wrote:I expected Guilty Lion to want to engage with me more. It felt like he waited an obligatory amount of time to see what the vibes would be and then moved back to my wagon. And I sort of expect GL to be the type of player who likes to sort every player for himself

frankly you kinda helped out a lot by making some terrifically bad posts about Frogster that I disliked everything about

I probably could have commented more on them but I'm still at work

We just played in a game together where I made very similar posts at the start of the game

In post 1631, Frogsterking wrote:

In post 1628, xofelf wrote:Yeah, when I have the time to do so, I look at people in isolation just like I did today. I just don't always give the list of who I'm looking at before I do so.

Okay, why the change?

In post 1629, xofelf wrote:Making dinner, will be back later.

...

Look, I make the best egg salad in my house so I had to finish it up.

I normally don't have several people I want to iso at a time, this time I did. Also when I do isochecks isn't about what phase we're in, it's about how many pages we have. And there's a whole fuckton and that was going to be a lot faster than rereading entire pages.

humaneatingmonkey wrote:

In post 1609, xofelf wrote:HEM check: Also somebody who makes me smile to read. A bit more aggressive style, but it's consistently so and not defensive or mean. It works for me. It's a lot more reactiony, which is fine. That being said, it feels like he's got cards to play but he's keeping them to himself and only teasing hints of them now and then. I don't think it's AI. It's just more, has a reason to only share thoughts when they're relevant and the most likely to get genuine reactions from their thoughts. Precise is probably more correct. It reminds me of what I've liked from FlavorLeaf in the past. I largely feel good about him. It's just as possible this is just good scumplay, but nah I don't think so.

if you want to pocket me, you're gonna have to buy me a drink

Man I wouldn't know what do with somebody I've pocketed even if I was intentionally trying. I am much more of an LSG player than I am a mafia player.

In post 1678, Dannflor wrote:We just played in a game together where I made very similar posts at the start of the game

omg

In post 1674, humaneatingmonkey wrote:

In post 1673, Dannflor wrote:I no longer have a read on Frogster

I guess lean town but I have a feeling I'm gonna find out they're always like this

can you tell me more about this read

mmmmmm

I thought they were being serious and it was scummy

but turns out they were actually being serious in a rlly pure way

is what I'm coming around to

In post 1561, Dannflor wrote:I don't think coming in as a replacement and automatically town reading all (or almost all) the active slots immediately shows you are critically thinking about the game at all

I think it shows you want to blend in with the crowd and survive

plus the survey as a substitute for content is icky

specifically this

-the survey point is wholly NAI
-I think scum are more likely to be worried about how it'd look to immediately claim to townread all the active slots. like if you're making up reads I think you're going to want to have some kind of scumread to show you're getting involved and sorting. no idea why you jump to assuming ulterior motives of "blending" and "surviving", Frogster's not even under any real pressure of death at the moment

In post 1661, Frogsterking wrote:I'm guessing it's TvT

wasn't really my point. Like I personally think that both of them are a bit scummy but they are defending your scumread and you think they are town for it?

In post 1661, Frogsterking wrote:I'm guessing it's TvT

wasn't really my point. Like I personally think that both of them are a bit scummy but they are defending your scumread and you think they are town for it?

In post 1566, Dannflor wrote:they were like, sorry my brain is overloaded and dipped. they didn't try and were perfectly content about that. they were a townie who got overwhelmed by the volume of the game.

I think Fireisred pushing there makes some sense because they were looking for something specific but I'm skeptical about genuine scum reads on the slot. Scum usually doesn't behave like that and I'd challenge people to find instances of scum behaving like that.

and this first sentence I've quoted feels really forced

and the second doesn't make sense to me because if you think Fireisred had good intentions and raised a good point about a specific meta difference between Eira's prior town games and their play here, why are you suspicious of people for agreeing with that finding

In post 1678, Dannflor wrote:We just played in a game together where I made very similar posts at the start of the game

I scumread you at the start of TT, did I not? which posts are you talking about and why are they similar to here

i like obscure

the scumreads on me r bs tho : D

- no
- he did throw scum reads at me and xof? that looked very much like fake sorting to me at the time. I think replacing into a game you're always looking to "catch up" so to speak which is where those motives can come from

I typed out a post I shouldn't have

I'm sorry I'm getting annoyed I'll come back later

In post 1521, Irrelephant11 wrote:scamper have we played together before

no

In post 1510, Nero Cain wrote:I'm not so sure I like the idea of a frozen deadline, we are already @ 60 pages and we'll only increase the pageage while waiting on reps. It just seems like the clock should be ticking still and then maybe if the reps need more time they can request it.

I'm kind of bored of this phase already.

fwiw i lagely agree with the sentiment of this - i think that extending the day toward infinity is never going to be protown as the game will ted toward bloat and apathy. i think the best thing to do is accept that you will always have imperfect information on day 1 and sometimes its necessary to consolidate even if its a wild guess, in order to move the game forward

im happy to see we have gotten replacements quickly. ill probably be stepping back to let the replacements get their bearings on the game but one they are all set i think we have more than enuf content to progress the game with

sorry if I'm being annoying

you've already started walking back your Frogster read which to me means like you shouldn't be ?? at me disliking & questioning it

maybe just when you come back and are feeling calm tell me how you feel about VPB and FB

You're not being annoying

You're right I don't know why I'm trying to defend this when I've moved on from it

I'll reset a bit and talk about those

im happy to consolidate on dannflor's wagon

@Dann if it'd help to offer a specific launching point, I wanna know if you have a gut take response to 1565

but if you wanna take your time and give a read on Firebringer considering more context, that's fine too

ngl, dannflor feels kind of townie to me on this past page, i opened up the ISO of the slot before them (which was Eira apparently?) - before subbing in, just when i thought i may sub into that person - it was the only one i looked at - and i thought they were scummy so i'm a bit hesitant there.

okay starting to read the game, Post#4 (question: is there a way to link these?) i feel like is believable from fire.. i'm reading them as like the opposite of me, which, i have friends in my group irl who are like this and so i can see it as legitimate. i'm liking the energy of some people in early game, but there's sort of a bar/standard to weigh in "is this happy energy because they like being town like me" or not - so, i don't fully feel like i can regard it with a ton of weight.

i'm getting town feelings from Post#108 from scamper, because i feel like mafia doesn't have "gut feelings" obviously, as they know the answers, so someone saying they have a gut feeling must be either inherently townie or mafia pretending to be townie. this post makes me feel like scamper isn't mafia pretending to be townie specifically because it's not just a post on a gut feeling, it's a second conclusion from that gut in a way that makes me feel like the gut feeling was real.

similarly i'm really liking how humaneatingmonkey is getting into the game right away on P#116 by thinking of the game as teams and making associatives/connections as a whole - they seem solvey in an exploratory way.

Post#152 sounds a little manipulative/overly-knowledgeable to me from Ydresse - mostly because it's not framing something as a townie read, it's a direct "this is why you're town" that feels framed in an intentional way.

i've read 7 pages, i'm great =p my townreads so far are fire, scamper, humanmonkey. slight scumlean on ydresse, but not confident.

In post 1684, Nero Cain wrote:

In post 1661, Frogsterking wrote:I'm guessing it's TvT

wasn't really my point. Like I personally think that both of them are a bit scummy but they are defending your scumread and you think they are town for it?

I think they look like they're picking a fight with you for no good reason and that's something I attribute to Town.

In post 1695, obscure wrote:ngl, dannflor feels kind of townie to me on this past page,

but

i opened up the ISO of the slot before them (which was Eira apparently?) - before subbing in, just when i thought i may sub into that person - it was the only one i looked at - and i thought they were scummy so i'm a bit hesitant there.

okay starting to read the game, Post#4 (question: is there a way to link these?) i feel like is believable from fire.. i'm reading them as like the opposite of me, which, i have friends in my group irl who are like this and so i can see it as legitimate. i'm liking the energy of some people in early game, but there's sort of a bar/standard to weigh in "is this happy energy because they like being town like me" or not - so, i don't fully feel like i can regard it with a ton of weight.

i'm getting town feelings from Post#108 from scamper, because i feel like mafia doesn't have "gut feelings" obviously, as they know the answers, so someone saying they have a gut feeling must be either inherently townie or mafia pretending to be townie. this post makes me feel like scamper isn't mafia pretending to be townie specifically because it's not just a post on a gut feeling, it's a second conclusion from that gut in a way that makes me feel like the gut feeling was real.

similarly i'm really liking how humaneatingmonkey is getting into the game right away on P#116 by thinking of the game as teams and making associatives/connections as a whole - they seem solvey in an exploratory way.

Post#152 sounds a little manipulative/overly-knowledgeable to me from Ydresse - mostly because it's not framing something as a townie read, it's a direct "this is why you're town" that feels framed in an intentional way.

i've read 7 pages, i'm great =p my townreads so far are fire, scamper, humanmonkey. slight scumlean on ydresse, but not confident.

to clarify this is a strong townread on fireisredsir not the other fire. i'm continuing to page 8 and seeing the distinction (especially as i have some other reads now around the other fire)

obscure so townie

In post 1598, Dannflor wrote:I've seen many players open with RQS or something similar and I think more than half the time they have been scum

it's not something I would base a confident read on alone but I've seen it happen enough times that my reaction is always negative

Some people (like me!) do RQS as a NAI thing