Civilization Mafia [GAME OVER]

[MathBlade]

Get to work on the plan please but I am not buying that Vecna. Dave is town.

[Vecna]

In Thing Mafia for example it was usually done "If players ABC aren't in X room player Y is scum"

Lynch all plan breakers

And "what was supposed to happen didn't so you're scum"

That type of plan IMHO is bad.

What works is a lot of smaller groupings.

Through the smaller groupings we get smaller one v ones. Similar to nancy and Caesar.

If scum fuck with one one v one they have to fuck with another.

The idea is an untenable situation of 1v1s

Not a mass collision.

I agree with this completely. And ill try to achieve exactly that, with a bunch of side-hops to confirm claims.

[Vecna]

LUV if you want to prove that you're Town you should get Big Ben and cop someone for a guilty.

Were following the plan today.

Everyone is getting assignments. Faillure to follow them is grounds for insta-lynch tomorrow.

Its forthcoming shortly.

Threats like this give scum easy room to breathe in.

Because then scum fuck with one domino of a Not town read Player and then it all comes apart.

Instead 1v1s and buy in make a plan.

Stop threatening. CK and Cloud already didn't respond to that.

So we have no guarantee they will give two fucks about your plan.

That has to be accounted for.

CK could be auto-lynched today regardless.

Were literally going to require EVERYONE to state that they shall do what their assignment tells them to.

Anyways let me just try and see what possibilities we have.

[Vecna]

The tricky part of the plan is, I need to weigh in also what Nero cain flips with.

Its almost as if I need to make different iterations for every possibility to maximize the gains.

[MathBlade]

Not happening. CK and Cloud aren't going along.

That is lynch all plan breakers mentality from Thing Mafia.

Instead the idea is to entice them to be townie.

Because some Town are antitown no matter what. A good leash for scum makes them want to walk into it.

Scum don't get leashed because they are forced it is because they want to.

Think about every time a scum has been leashed. I was leashed to kill Karnos in Shadowrun.

I could have easily come up with a narrative that was "you crazy townies not lynching conf scum"

But shooting Karnos for the cred was too easy.

Stop threatening Vecna. Threats don't work in mass plans.

[Vecna]

You can live follow my thought process in the google doc math.

Maybe thatll let you see my honest and open thought process.

[MathBlade]

You can live follow my thought process in the google doc math.

Maybe thatll let you see my honest and open thought process.

TBH I refuse to as not everyone can see it sorry.

It would feel like cheating to do so.

Feel free to live post here though.

[MathBlade]

Unless someone is up at this time they can't see what you are doing.

Posting the doc is a stretch to begin with.

The thread is where conversation lives.

Feel free to post thoughts here as you have them though,

[Vecna]

You can live follow my thought process in the google doc math.

Maybe thatll let you see my honest and open thought process.

TBH I refuse to as not everyone can see it sorry.

It would feel like cheating to do so.

Feel free to live post here though.

Everybody can see it, with the following link

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... edit#gid=0

Its open to everyone

MOD EDIT: Hey. I'm leaving this up since it's now part of the game but please don't do stuff like this.

[Vecna]

And ill keep it viewable.

[Vecna]

The fact we dont have the zimbabwe wonder sure makes this a lot trickier though. I had counted on an extra doctor earlier.

[MathBlade]

No one can see the changes in real time only the final prdoduct.

And while I know you would never do this it creates a way of cummunication if editing is turned on in a place unenforceable by Nahdia.

I can wait for your final plan with reasons.

[Vecna]

Im going to make contingencies for the following scenario's:

Nero cain flips town
Nero cain flips scum with day2 vig wonder
NC flips scum with Daychat / great zimbabwe wonder
NC flips scum with Roleblock or Great wall wonder
NC flips scum with NO wonder

I could think of scenario's as well where he flips with a wonder that was built today - and the problem of already decided that were lynching Nero means he can totally mess with the plan if he doesnt have anything built yet.

[MathBlade]

I would have an edge over those sleeping/RL/not online and it isn't fair to them.

I know you have good intentions but I think that me reviewing in real time crosses a line sorry,

[Vecna]

Ok, that actually makes sense.

Ill disable the viewability then to keep things equal for everyone.

[MathBlade]

Im going to make contingencies for the following scenario's:

Nero cain flips town
Nero cain flips scum with day2 vig wonder
NC flips scum with Daychat / great zimbabwe wonder
NC flips scum with Roleblock or Great wall wonder
NC flips scum with NO wonder

I could think of scenario's as well where he flips with a wonder that was built today - and the problem of already decided that were lynching Nero means he can totally mess with the plan if he doesnt have anything built yet.

Build requests process end of day.

Nero can't fuck with anything.

[MathBlade]

I think simplify it down.

I think you are going too complicated here Vecna and not seeing forests through the trees.

The plan isn't a banhammer.

I would say instead of that look at already mentioned desires. Work from there.

[Vecna]

If nero flips town math - Do you agree that someone should try to build zimbabwe and invite some people to try and coordinate secret actions that scum cannot be aware of?

Like, we can assign someone to build the RedFort and then test by visiting them with secret PR's (or not) to create a pretty unlikely scenario where they do not know whether someone visited them or not.

[Vecna]

Really?

Gamemaster - if someone is lynched, do they still get the requested build order, or does it go to the next person in the chain (even if the lynched person had higher priority)?

[MathBlade]

RC for example is selecting vig.

nancy also had some opinions.

Put the players with their open requests firsts and what would happen based on priority. Then say okay based on this these are the expected results.

RC I know you wanted vig but odds are small of you getting it. Are you okay with a different wonder? If RC isn't then RC having any other wonder is a leash RC voluntarily accepted and Big Ben can cop RC.

[Vecna]

Alisae, would you be willing to neighbourise me today for maximum wifom potential?

[MathBlade]

A plan is about listening and keeping accountability.

Not a dictate from on high.

[MathBlade]

Really?

Gamemaster - if someone is lynched, do they still get the requested build order, or does it go to the next person in the chain (even if the lynched person had higher priority)?

...A lynched player can't build a wonder.

If all submissions are due by EoD

Then that means they are inherently processed afterward Vecna.

This means a wonder cannot be assigned to a lynched person unless Nahdia calls that out.

[nancy]

Big Ben can cop RC.

Waste of a night action. Big Ben should be leashed onto a scumslot or Caesar.

[MathBlade]

Alisae, would you be willing to neighbourise me today for maximum wifom potential?

...That isn't how Wifom potential works Vecna.

And who Alisae neighborizes would either be from a subset Alisae picks or no comment for ultimate wifom. I have suggestions but who Alisae neighborizes isn't the main focus of the plan. Focus please