The Werewolves of Millers Hollow (Game Over)

[DizzyIzzyB13]

Mod: Who did Yos choose to succeed him as Mayor?

Zwet, what's Gorrad's alignment?

[DizzyIzzyB13]

Based on Yos's analsis of the people dancing, if Gorrad is not the piper, it is Jahudo or Starbuck and one of those must die today.

[zwetschenwasser]

Gorrad was a simple villager. Dammit.

[DizzyIzzyB13]

So. Starbuck or Jahudo. Which do we kill now?

[Battle Mage]

how does the Piper win?

BM

[zwetschenwasser]

KILL BM NOW

[DizzyIzzyB13]

The Piper wins by getting everyone to dance. Almost everyone left is dancing. Piper needs to die, ASAP, which means we need to get whichever of Jahudo and Starbuck it is before we can kill BMscum

[Battle Mage]

The Piper wins by getting everyone to dance. Almost everyone left is dancing. Piper needs to die, ASAP, which means we need to get whichever of Jahudo and Starbuck it is before we can kill BMscum

aww, but i wanna lynch BM-scum NOW!

Also, that role makes no sense. Surely the Piper cannot realistically win, if he recruits 1 person per night, and everyone knows he is not dancing. That's retardedly unbalanced, and is why i think the piper must be dancing.

BM

[NabakovNabakov]

The Piper wins by getting everyone to dance. Almost everyone left is dancing. Piper needs to die, ASAP, which means we need to get whichever of Jahudo and Starbuck it is before we can kill BMscum

aww, but i wanna lynch BM-scum NOW!

Also, that role makes no sense. Surely the Piper cannot realistically win, if he recruits 1 person per night, and everyone knows he is not dancing. That's retardedly unbalanced, and is why i think the piper must be dancing.

BM

Piper recruits 2 per night, and he's right on the cusp of winning (he actually would have won already if he had recruited whoever among Starbuck and Jahudo is not the Piper instead of Yos)

Mod: Does today's "Punishment" kill count as our lynch for the day?

[Jahudo]

The choice is easy for me
I'll be back tomorrow to look at Starbucks posts and see what I can find.

Vote: Starbuck

[MafiaSSK]

The Piper wins by getting everyone to dance. Almost everyone left is dancing. Piper needs to die, ASAP, which means we need to get whichever of Jahudo and Starbuck it is before we can kill BMscum

aww, but i wanna lynch BM-scum NOW!

Also, that role makes no sense. Surely the Piper cannot realistically win, if he recruits 1 person per night, and everyone knows he is not dancing. That's retardedly unbalanced, and is why i think the piper must be dancing.

BM

Piper recruits 2 per night, and he's right on the cusp of winning (he actually would have won already if he had recruited whoever among Starbuck and Jahudo is not the Piper instead of Yos)

Mod: Does today's "Punishment" kill count as our lynch for the day?

Nope.

[MafiaSSK]

Also, Yosarian2 has spoken. DizzyIzzyB13 shall be the new mayor and Starbuck shall die unless 2 people proclaim Starbuck's innocent.

[Starbuck]

I'm definitely not the piper.

[NabakovNabakov]

I Vouch for Starbuck's Integrity

Claim:

Little Girl (Tracker)

My role obviously couldn't be like it is in RL (the Little Girl can peek around during Night to ID werewolves but dies instantly if caught), but tracker makes sense in context. With the estimated size of the scumgroup, I don't consider a negative result all that much indication that a player is not

scum

but it does rule them out from being Piper.

Anyway, the reason I'm claiming is that I tracked Starbuck 2 nights ago, and she didn't go anywhere. I would have rather kept this role hidden for use in the scumhunt, but Jahudo has played well, and it seemed very unlikely that an uninformed town would make the right decision.

N1, Barrylocke tracked Dramonic/Firestarter. No result
N2, I tracked Mufasa. No result. (Yet another reason why I didn't believe his claim)
N3, I tracked Zwets. No result
N4, I tracked Mike. No result
N5, I tracked Starbuck. No result
Last night my field of possible Pipers (if Gorrad wasn't already the Piper) had been narrowed to Yos or Jahudo, and I went with Yos on a hunch (either one was going to give me my answer)

Even if you don't believe my claim, my obvious interest in keeping Starbuck alive should be enough to convince you that if we don't vouch for Starbuck and lynch Jahudo

immediately

, it's game over.

Vote: Jahudo

[zwetschenwasser]

I do not vouch for starbuck's integrity. She could very well be a werewolf.

[Starbuck]

I'm not a werewolf either, I'm just a simple villager. We need to be rid of the piper and it's not me. Zwet, you surprise me because I thought you were supposed to help the town win, not lead it astray.

Vote: Jahudo

[NabakovNabakov]

I do not vouch for starbuck's integrity. She could very well be a werewolf.

Doesn't matter. If she dies, Jahudo wins.

[zwetschenwasser]

You are correct.

Vouch for Starbuck's Integrity

[DizzyIzzyB13]

Nabakov, is there anything in the mod feedback from your results that could suggest role-blocking on any night?

[zwetschenwasser]

don't roleblocks = no result PM?

[NabakovNabakov]

Sorry, my bad for using confusing terminology.

"No Result" just means that I didn't see them go anywhere. I don't believe I was ever blocked.

[Jahudo]

I guess I have to claim now since Nabakov must either be lying or have had a role affect his tracking.

I claim

Werewolf

. You'll lynch me next obviously but this is better than losing today. There's no way I'm giving away anything else I know.

[NabakovNabakov]

I guess I have to claim now since Nabakov must either be lying or have had a role affect his tracking.

I claim

Werewolf

. You'll lynch me next obviously but this is better than losing today. There's no way I'm giving away anything else I know.

This is a lie, and I know exactly how to put it to the test.

We No Lynch today. If what you say is true, you will be able to kill Starbuck tonight. If what you say is false, the real scum will know you are lying, acknowledge that the only situation a player would fakeclaim scum is in a state of intense, short-term, self-preservation such as the Piper would have at this time, and kill you.

Unvote; Vote: No Lynch

[DizzyIzzyB13]

vote: No Lynch

,

vote: No Lynch

Since I'm the Mayor, I have two votes and I have to use both of them like that, right?

[MikeSC6]

Can we be certain that nightkills would happen before the Piper acts? This could be as much of a gamble as lynching Jahudo would be.

We'd have to trust that the mafia kill before the Piper can act. We'd have to trust that the mafia's win condition is opposed to the Piper's. We'd have to trust that Jahudo isn't just a townie fakeclaiming in order to get Starbuck lynched (though that's a bit farfetched...)

On the plus side- if the gamble pays off and the mafia do lose if the Piper wins, and Jahudo is either a werewolf or the Piper, they'd have no choice but to kill off the Piper, and we'd have a free track to use as we wish.

There could easily be a tracking-misdirector, I suppose, so we can't say for certain that it's Jahudo.

Can anyone tell me whether Cult Leaders and other similar roles win if they get nightkilled on the same night that they recruit enough to win? Does the kill happen before or after their action?