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My plan was to not get lynched, and daykill whoever remained.

And why the change of plans?

I found a loophole that let me win with town.

Which loophole is this again?

And why would you want to win with town as opposed to taking a solitary victory?

Us both killing each other at the same time = simultaneous victory.

Because it's a tradeoff. You take a leap of faith and trust me, I give you a win for your effort.
I also have much <3 for Hito and his posting as Seraph.

I just need to hear from inHim again.

I mean, it sounds like you'd win either way, so...just double checking.

EBWOP: unless we lynch you, but still.

inHim...the fact that you haven't even voted for Nacho yet is weird. I mean, since his death is supposedly the only way you win, that should be a no-brainer.

I'm just taking orders from you, singer.

Why wouldn't the Scum Seraphs be alive?

Because their wincon is to keep at least one "minion" alive.

And that was seriously a moment.

I'm no longer aligned with them, I'm a mortal, not a minion. I share no wincon with them, they would share none with me... I'm not seeing your reason for concern about the Seraphs.

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Now, let's take a stroll down MoHo lane.

There's absolutely no way Nacho is able both to grant to a player more than once (well, fair chance of him granting to himself more than once, but that only) AND being able to grant the same Order, in general, more than once.

Nacho may or may not have an exception for himself because he's the SK, but there's no reason to believe that he's allowed to Grant multiple Orders on anyone else or that he even will have enough Faith to do so tomorrow.

So basically, Nacho's lying through his teeth saying he can't grant the same order more than once per Day - FORCE HIM TO GIVE YOU THE DAYVIG NOW. There's nothing remotely like that restriction in MoHO - just limits on granting the same thing more than once AT ALL.

Last of all, Nacho's "I've got to quote evidence of the ability" is the biggest bunch of BS ever. EVER.
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LET'S WIN THIS TOGETHER SINGER. VOTE NACHO FOR GREAT JUSTITUDE.

singersigner wrote:I just need to hear from inHim again.

I mean, it sounds like you'd win either way, so...just double checking

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You versus him tomorrow is a guaranteed win for him. A Doctor versus an SK in endgame, even one that can self-protect, will result in a dead Doctor and a winning SK.

MOST OF ALL, I'LL LOSE AND WILL BE SUPER-BUMMED. DON'T LET THIS HAPPEN, SINGER. JUST THINK ABOUT THE LOGIC OF THE ACTIONS, WHAT NACHO HAS BEEN SPEWING, AND WHAT HIS PLAN REALLY IS.

OH, MY GODS MY GODS, YOU HAVE FORSAKEN ME.

I WILL LIVE MY LIFE IN DEFIANCE. A LIFE ABUNDANT AND HUMANISTIC.

BUT MOST OF ALL, I WILL .

HE'S NOT TELLING US EVERYTHING, OR MUCH MORE LIKELY IT'S ALL LIES. LIGHT BULB, MAY THY EARTHLY LIGHT SHINE AND ENLIGHTEN US. HERE WE GO:

TELL ME, WHY DID EQUINOX DIE IF ABLE TO SELF-PROTECT? HE CLAIMS TO HAVE GIVEN YOU A SELF-PROTECT DOCTOR, BUT THERE'S BEEN NO EVIDENCE THAT 1) EQUINOX'S GRANTED DOCTOR ORDER WAS ABLE TO SELF-PROTECT AND 2) EQUINOX DIED THE NIGHT IT WAS GIVEN HIM.

WHAT SELF-RESPECTING DOCTOR DOESN'T KEEP THEMSELVES ALIVE WHEN THEY KNOW THEY'RE PRESUMABLY THE ONLY TOWN POWER ROLE IN THE GAME?

Specially-tailored? GARBAGE AND LIES.

Nowhere to go but forward



singersigner

inHimshallibe wrote:TELL ME, WHY DID EQUINOX DIE IF ABLE TO SELF-PROTECT? HE CLAIMS TO HAVE GIVEN YOU A SELF-PROTECT DOCTOR, BUT THERE'S BEEN NO EVIDENCE THAT 1) EQUINOX'S GRANTED DOCTOR ORDER WAS ABLE TO SELF-PROTECT AND 2) EQUINOX DIED THE NIGHT IT WAS GIVEN HIM.

I have confirmation that I can protect myself. It's a done deal. Perhaps Equinox did not think to ask if he could use it on himself considering standard mafia site rules say doctors cannot protect themselves. I would've assumed the same thing.

inHim, you're not really answering my question, though. Even though your wincon would no longer be the same as theirs, the scum Seraphs SHOULD NOT STILL BE ALIVE AND WELL unless one of their demons were STILL ALIVE AND WELL.

So if not you, who's keeping them alive?

They're the demons that could be alive and well in this situation, not any of us.

Huh?

Don't look at me, I've been asking "Huh?" for a long time too. From my vantage point, if the Scum Seraphs serve any purpose in this game, it is for the opportunity for them to play Trump Card and descend. So, this possibility is what keeps them still in the game.

No. Nonononono.

There's no way they'd be able to still play that card if they don't have demons "on earth" keeping them alive to play it. As soon as the last demon dies, they die, too.

OH.

I get it, and that'd be a pretty legit concern, though all we have to do to stop them is limit their faith so they can't descend. You and I just need to meet our win condition so we can eliminate theirs.

You can't honestly be thinking of going along with Nacho's plan, can you? So many holes.

BUT WHY ARE THEY STILL ALIVE IF THEY HAD NO DEMONS TO KEEP THEM ALIVE.

Shits and giggles?

I don't know the answer to that question, singer. I can take guesses... If they hadn't sent me the message, they may have been able to reinstate me? But now they've used up an Order on me, and they can't target me again. Vi is allowing me to choose whether or not I want to stall and maybe let them back in the game? That certainly won't be able to if we keep their faith way low.

That*

*They

Wait, what order did they use on you again?

What message did they send you? What did it say?