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--> Very little interaction between him and Nacho on D1, only beginning to speak to each other in #204 + #207 which I'd think works as both scum/town and scum/scum. Then there's the coachy-type stuff I think Llamarble was referring to earlier that starts at #693 where Nacho prods DV and asks him to organize his reads. Oddly enough my initial impression was that this actually points them being partners because I didn't think Nacho would feel the need to coach/prod DV (who plays a competent scum game on his own) if they were partners, but I checked out the way they interacted with each other in Mafia in La La Land and there were some spots where Nacho did do that so I'm left with a big "?" there.

--> I think #848 is a pretty big point against them being a team, don't really see the incentive for DV-scum to start undermining the townreads on Nacho he was getting off his huge end-of-D1 wallpost by referencing Always On and even implying that it might be a scumtell that post (+ the way DV says he really wants Nacho to be town reads really genuine to me).

--> Ok, so there's the elephant in the room which is Nacho's DV case at the end of the last Day. Context-wise, I'm not really sure Nacho perceived that the lynch was 100% between himself/CES, especially given that all of our lynches up to that point had been deadline flash wagons. This is probably super pretentious conjecture, but at the time, a lot of people expressed either null or scumreads on DV so I think he was going for a deadline compromise mislynch there. I also don't think Nacho generally makes full-fledged cases on his buddies as in #1519 generally and I think DV's back-and-forth/reaction to the case in general (ex: #1505 + #1529) feel really natural and town (think DV would come across a lot more awkward if he were scum).

--> I've already mentioned all the stuff off DV's individual play that really make me think he's town here, if anyone wants me to repeat it or update it let me know, but I think I've made thoughts there well known.

CONCLUSION: Looking over DV again and his interaction with Nacho-scum makes me feel really good about him being town here so I think at this point he can join the non-negotiable pile with Tierce and Tammy.

I'm being dragged off to a convention again (sigh) so I'll put up the Benmage stuff tonight or at some point tomorrow and hopefully get through the first of CES/Llamarble/Shadoweh on the next pass.

↑ Shadoweh wrote:What does that have to do with anything? You're a poster child for how being hypocritical isn't a scumtell. The only way I see CTD's posts is he was trying to hint that he knew I was town because he was scum to Nacho or something. The two of them had weird conversations about eveeryone. I think CTD was picking fights with him on purpose.

Benmage probably isnn't scum so he was probably not bussing Benmage. My play doesn't make sense as a person maybe, but town has the right to be irrational.

Point out where I said shadoweh is being a hypocrite and is therefore scum. Go on find it for me.

Did ctd have weird conversations about everyone? Me? Tierce? Vi? Konowa? Ces? Are you sure about that sweeping statement?

Ctd did not pick a fight with nacho about you. Nacho picked at him and his response was odd.

Also, where do I say you are not town because you're being irrational? Your play does not make sense because you aren't reading the game, you are not actually scumhunting, your anger or frustration reads fake, when you do criticize someone for their play it either doesn't fit with the game because you haven't read it or you're using weird and erroneous meta information, your play around ctd is suspicious also. It's also possible that benmage was a counterwagon to you started by nacho.

In short I just can't see how you're going to flip town, but I think this is the last time I'm going to respond to you. It's not productive especially when it looks like you're writing words for the sake of it so you can look busy instead of reading the game.

CES over Shadow.

I still feel very lost and don't have nearly enough time to get as stuck in as I should.

Shadoweh-benmage seems most plausible to me at this point *-*. Shadoweh's defense of benmage seems as out of place as benmage giving himself a pat on the back for his scumhunting while doing almost zilch to get 'marble lynched.

Assorted:
'marble, Nacho also didn't vote me after I quickhammered a cop in the Zachmicro. I don't think it's a bad strategy for scum to just let the town mislynch me based on paranoia when possible; the Greater Idea mislynches on me definitely tended to be town-driven. Also, I put you at L-1 after you rejected readability shenanigans (possibly implicitly); you're not a straightforward read this game at all.
I did actually think Petyr was scum for a good part of that D1, Tammy.
Empire is completely right about #1529.

↑ Cogito Ergo Sum wrote:I still feel very lost and don't have nearly enough time to get as stuck in as I should.

Shadoweh-benmage seems most plausible to me at this point *-*. Shadoweh's defense of benmage seems as out of place as benmage giving himself a pat on the back for his scumhunting while doing almost zilch to get 'marble lynched.

this is some shitty fabricated connection to allow CES to hop onto the only plausible counter wagon.

I C IT



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Your thinking has been very shallow this game.

↑ Cogito Ergo Sum wrote:Your thinking has been very shallow this game.

Nice abstract dig....

But altogether meaningless.

You hang today pal.

You play is omniscient of that game you recently replaced in with me.... That slot was doomed... it feels like this game is doomed for you, huh?

^^omniscient... lol somehow that was suppose to be reminiscent.... watching tv.

It's okay Tammy, you can think that but I'm probably gonna be here for awhile still. I won't need you to respond to me.
Shadoweh + Benmage is probably the only connection that doesn't make sense together. <_<

Why aren't you voting, CES?

CES - You said it's shadoweh and benmage at this point, but what happened to your OGML suspicion?

Tierce is right.

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Tammy whose your #2 suspect?

CES and Shadoweh are pretty much equal on my suspect list.

What are we waiting for?

8 days, who cares...

I don't mind that much if someone hammers, but if I could sort out my reads first that would be pretty awesome.

^Easier to see whose around tomorrow, and the flip.. etc etc

I have some reading to do, but we just need to find a confident townread and it won't be CES

↑ Benmage wrote:Tierce is right.

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Tierce asked a question and didn't call for a hammer. Tierce would appreciate it if you stopped acting like she supports your latest blood frenzy, especially when last we me, Tierce had an expressed interest in her CES Townread.


Can we talk about Zach's death for a moment? Yes, he was absolutely clear once Nacho flipped Goon, but... why Zach? Simply a random choice among obvTown? Are the last scum more afraid of him than of Empire, Tammy or I? What happened there? This game seems to have more obvTown than the scum know what to do with, but they jumped from PR hunting to eliminating someone who was a guaranteed vanilla and who generally opposed the Nacho lynch until the hammer. Why Zach and not one of the three of us?

Tammy and Empire read Town, but... I don't really understand this kill. The reasoning I can see is superficial, and I don't like that. Ideas?

EBWOP: when last we met*

Silly phone.

...I could vote OGML.

↑ Benmage wrote:^Easier to see whose around tomorrow, and the flip.. etc etc

But maybe I'll become really confident in someone being scum (who is actually scum) and convince everyone to vote for them!

Yeah.. it's probably not going to happen, but I only have Shadoweh and a quick look over Tierce to go, so it shouldn't take too long.

↑ Tierce wrote:
Can we talk about Zach's death for a moment? Yes, he was absolutely clear once Nacho flipped Goon, but... why Zach? Simply a random choice among obvTown? Are the last scum more afraid of him than of Empire, Tammy or I? What happened there? This game seems to have more obvTown than the scum know what to do with, but they jumped from PR hunting to eliminating someone who was a guaranteed vanilla and who generally opposed the Nacho lynch until the hammer. Why Zach and not one of the three of us?

Tammy and Empire read Town, but... I don't really understand this kill. The reasoning I can see is superficial, and I don't like that. Ideas?

Zach was kind of confirmed town thanks to Vi. Zach may have been pushing against the Nacho lynch, but he was gung-ho about lynching CES with OGML as a third, so once his wrong scum died it's possible they just went for the confirmed town that had nothing but right left. He said some teritary bad things about me too I guess.

The other reason to keep the 'obvtowns' alive would be either to foster the kind of fight Empire and Tammy were having, or because one of you really is scum avoiding narrowing down whose responsible for the weird kills. There's enough lynches left to kill all three of you if it's not OGML and CES so we'll see how it goes!