Mini 1643: World of Mafiacraft (End)

[kiwieagle]

Thats a really bad mentality and one I need to fix myself too


lurkers are more than likely scum but alas I call way too many people scum... thats another bad habit

[Nero Cain]

lurking is nullish though lurking is also a common scumthing and meta wise I think Mollie is far more active as town. Though I don't expect TT to know Mollie's scum meta but I felt think him not really suspecting Mollie makes me worry that he KNOWs Mollie is town.

[Nero Cain]

I've also been secretly debating if this is scum that knows that there was a 3rd party in the game or he was honestly curious.

If scum can get gear:
If we pick tier 3: 1/2 chance of vig power. 1/13 chance of power going to scum. Thats a 1/26 chance that we give the scum 2 NKs.
Is that worth it?
if the power is JK, theres still a chance of scum getting a roleblocker, which is bad too.
tier 1 costs 2/3s of the amount, doesnt break the game on the off chance it goes to scum, and has investigatives.
I think Tier 1 is a good choice for today.
Also:

Lead Developer: If there were a 3P of some kind, would we get 2 tokens or 4 tokens for their lynch?

+2 Raid Tokens for a mislynch
+4 Raid Tokens for a scum lynch

PS: I'm not like, claiming 3P or anything. Its just that the above quote implies that there are none, and i want to make sure.

Thoughts?

[TroubledTownie]

and thats why

scum lurkers always win

^^

[kiwieagle]

and thats why

scum lurkers always win

^^

[Nero Cain]

I've also been secretly debating if this is scum that knows that there was a 3rd party in the game or he was honestly curious.

If scum can get gear:
If we pick tier 3: 1/2 chance of vig power. 1/13 chance of power going to scum. Thats a 1/26 chance that we give the scum 2 NKs.
Is that worth it?
if the power is JK, theres still a chance of scum getting a roleblocker, which is bad too.
tier 1 costs 2/3s of the amount, doesnt break the game on the off chance it goes to scum, and has investigatives.
I think Tier 1 is a good choice for today.
Also:

Lead Developer: If there were a 3P of some kind, would we get 2 tokens or 4 tokens for their lynch?

+2 Raid Tokens for a mislynch
+4 Raid Tokens for a scum lynch

PS: I'm not like, claiming 3P or anything. Its just that the above quote implies that there are none, and i want to make sure.

Thoughts?

[kiwieagle]

Wait did we actually get +4?

VOTE: TIER 3


Hmmm.
My thoughts?
He was trying to get information on the set-up.
A dumb question anwyay because killerjester would never admit to having 3P.
Null probably. Can't see how scum would know of 3P unless night 1 had already occurred?

[Nero Cain]

Can't see how scum would know of 3P unless night 1 had already occurred?

This is a 13 player game. 3 is the max number of scum. Since we know that there WAS a third party we also now know that there were two scum (mafia) therefore mafia ALSO knew there was a third party in the game.

[TroubledTownie]

lurking is nullish though lurking is also a common scumthing and meta wise I think Mollie is far more active as town. Though I don't expect TT to know Mollie's scum meta but I felt think him not really suspecting Mollie makes me worry that he KNOWs Mollie is town.

You're still on that conf bias, huh?

Lurking is a reason to get a player replaced, not lynched. Look at my newbie game(we had 3 lurkers in 1 slot replaced... town player), I would much rather get a new person who will contribute than resort to a policy lynch.

[Nero Cain]

Mollie isn't going to get replaced unless she volunteerenly outs or breaks her prod timer. At what point does her lurking become "scummy"?

[TheFuzzylogic99]

Yes we got 4 points... House was considered scum as far as token was concerns but otherwise he is third party.


We know that there are third parties in the game. The question is if Eyes comment was a slip and he/she was also a third party hacker or it was a clarifying statement . To me we should consider the possibilities of more hackers being out there but we should say this is a definite just like the ungear raider idea Xombie brought up. Right now this is an out guess the mod scenerio.

[TroubledTownie]

lurking is nullish though lurking is also a common scumthing and meta wise I think Mollie is far more active as town. Though I don't expect TT to know Mollie's scum meta but I felt think him not really suspecting Mollie makes me worry that he KNOWs Mollie is town.

Mollie isn't going to get replaced unless she volunteerenly outs or breaks her prod timer. At what point does her lurking become "scummy"?

You act like there's a line... there's not.

Lurking is always anti-town, so it's always suspicious at best. The longer the lurking goes, especially if it's active lurking, the scummier it becomes.

[TheFuzzylogic99]

We should not say this is a definite

[Nero Cain]

So half of me wants AP to be wrong on Fuzzy so I can laugh at him and the other half of me wants to lynch Fuzzy from the highest tree.

Still kinda iffy on Math. I guess its possible that scum Math could come in and faked derp it up but I also don't want to be on a wagon with Titus and TT. ewwww

[Nero Cain]

Also if we aren't able to buy from T1 again we should do T2.

[TheFuzzylogic99]

T1 would be nice... having a second investigator would be nice. I could argue having a tier two pick to help with the tier 1 we have.

I would laugh with you Nero bc APs case is not good.He is basically basing his scum read on House ( who is a third party) to make me out as scu .Your instinct to not lynch me is a good instinct.

I am not sold on aTT lynch or a Titus lynch bc I have not seen anything solid that would make me think they are scum.

[MathBlade]

VOTE: TheFuzzyLogic

As much as I wish we had 100% evidence mafia isn't a game of 100% knowing it is investigating and trying to figure it out.
TFL seems like they have played enough to know the difference.

Secondly I think assuming only two mafia is rather crazy. Town could get a lot of power roles and three mafia and a ungeared 3P does make sense with the amount of power town could have.

[MathBlade]

So half of me wants AP to be wrong on Fuzzy so I can laugh at him and the other half of me wants to lynch Fuzzy from the highest tree.

Still kinda iffy on Math. I guess its possible that scum Math could come in and faked derp it up but I also don't want to be on a wagon with Titus and TT. ewwww

This is not fake. I still don't understand why ABR did what he did. However I am letting it go as apparently I am an idiot. Therefore I also believe not derping.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Vote: TheFuzzyLogic

[Albert B. Rampage]

Vote: Tier 3

[Albert B. Rampage]

Buy: Tier 3

[TheFuzzylogic99]

Buy: Tier 3

Like to explain or should I just take this as taking advantage of opptunity.

[TheFuzzylogic99]

Vote: TheFuzzyLogic

Oops hit the wrong post. Facepalm

[TheFuzzylogic99]

Math
I would think that the scum are either geared or have a similar token set up as our... maybe reversed. This seems to be the most limely if the mod wanted to have a pretty balance game. Also there are prob atleast 3 scum since the formula for scum seems to be 1/4 * t

I confused on what you mean by TFL should know better. What should of I known better.

Also I really lynch Math to get some reads but my gut is telling me she is town.

[pirate mollie]

I don't see why.

On a scale from 1-10, a player lurking is about a 2. Things like elusive's over-defensiveness and Math's desire to push a lynch without easily-obtainable information are about a 6. You don't focus on the small kinda-maybe-ish reasons when you have large much-more-likely reasons.

I am having a hard time engaging with the game and have said so and have reached out to the players that I know so how exactly is this scumlurking?