215, 216, and 217. At the time, I hated Anen's reads on players. That's probably a bit reactionary to the fact that he referred to my posts as "flailing" when it should be obvious to those in retrospect that I was just trying to be understood, and mad at being L-1ed for unvoting a player I townread. Altogether, though, I don't like the "I think this post is towny, and this post is shitty, and this other post is shitty, therefore these players are a scum team" style of gameplay. That's what these posts are, they're Anen's first real pieces of content in the game, and it will end up being the bulk of his playstyle.
This trend of opinion with a lack of analysis continues in 279.
happen for now. It's not like I'm not questioning it for no reason..
Are you scum with Podoboq?
In post 282, Smithereens wrote:does that train of logic follow from the idea that I'd sacrifice myself for a scum mate who is about to get lynched?
I'm flattered but no. I'm not scum.
In post 283, Aneninen wrote:That was a reaction test on two levels. And you didn't give a scummy reaction.
The Smithereens wagon is bad.
I find this to be really wonky, and I'm inclined to think it's scummy. It's the first time Anen actually interacts directly with a player, and it seems pedantic. It looks like he's trying to establish a reason to conclude that Smith is town, then uses any response as a justification for drawing that conclusion. Why would Anen do that as scum? To justify pushing the counter to Smith, which falls in line with his scumread on me. It's like a reverse chainsaw, if I'm understanding chainsawing correctly.
This vote, in this situation makes me think that Smithereens is indeed town. (As scum why would he launch a new wagon instead of pushing any viable counter?)
(I snipped out quotes that established context for the sake of making a smaller post)
If the player Anen townreads votes him, he calls it evidence of him being town, while in Transcend's case, it's scummy, even though they have basically the same context. He also uses this chance to refer to his wagon as not viable, which is cute.
The next several posts are somewhat contentless, so I'm not going to delve deep onto them, but if you read the ISO yourself you can see what I'm talking about. Anen isn't directly interacting with players and isn't providing enough explanation of his opinions for my liking.
All we can do, and this goes for anyone nearby, is to post a short summary about these three names, in the following form:
Podoboq - I voted him earlier. I'm conlficted on him.
Smith - I didn't vote him earlier. I don't think he's scum.
Penguin - I'm voting for him. I'm conflicted on him. (Mostly because of his latests'.)
Having read it back it looks terrible in my case, but I hope you get the point. Posts like these will be valuable later.
I actually really like this. Anen gets more open around deadline. This is the biggest thing that would make me want to keep Anen around. However, this activity near deadline could be because all of the available people to lynch are town, and Anen is going for town points because no matter who flips, Anen gave a little sighing disapproval beforehand.
Spoiler: reaction to karnos claim
In post 1201, Aneninen wrote:So Podoboq is town.
Most probably these: Murdercat, Karnos, Ranger
In day one, Anen believed that there was most likely one scum between me and Penguin, but not two. Since I'm confirmed to him now, he should probably be going after Penguin, but the only mention of him today is in 1338. I would have expected more focus from town.
So there are a few actual things in hear that I find scummy, but mostly, it's the lack of appropriate town play. Townies should engage other players, appear to be searching for town and scum, and also provide reason why they read people the way they do. Quoting a post and calling it "pigeon poop" doesn't cut it, so I only see searching for town and scum, and that's just not good enough for me, especially since I don't think the conclusions that Anen has drawn are all that great.
I even put "ANEN CASE" in big font for you guys, are you're still choosing to ignore it. What the fuck?
Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2016 9:07 am
by Persivul
In post 1702, podoboq wrote:I even put "ANEN CASE" in big font for you guys, are you're still choosing to ignore it. What the fuck?
I have you in my town bucket. The question is mostly for transcend and penguin.
Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2016 10:46 am
by SirCakez
what are the odds of two n2 cops?
Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2016 1:25 pm
by Persivul
Let's give a sample run for 4, 5, or 6:
Original Roll String: 1d5
1 5-Sided Dice: (5) = 5
Original Roll String: 1d5
1 5-Sided Dice: (3) = 3
Original Roll String: 1d5
1 5-Sided Dice: (4) = 4
Original Roll String: 1d5
1 5-Sided Dice: (2) = 2
Original Roll String: 1d5
1 5-Sided Dice: (2) = 2
Original Roll String: 1d5
1 5-Sided Dice: (5) = 5
Original Roll String: 1d5
1 5-Sided Dice: (3) = 3
Original Roll String: 1d5
1 5-Sided Dice: (4) = 4
Original Roll String: 1d5
1 5-Sided Dice: (4) = 4
Original Roll String: 1d5
1 5-Sided Dice: (2) = 2
Original Roll String: 1d5
1 5-Sided Dice: (4) = 4
Original Roll String: 1d5
1 5-Sided Dice: (4) = 4
Original Roll String: 1d5
1 5-Sided Dice: (2) = 2
Original Roll String: 1d5
1 5-Sided Dice: (2) = 2
Original Roll String: 1d5
1 5-Sided Dice: (4) = 4
Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2016 1:27 pm
by Persivul
As someone noted, with randomness repeats are expected, not just one of each number every time. The test above supports that. I've played this setup with two N1 cops, and both hit scum.
Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2016 1:38 pm
by Transcend
Still think cakez is town even though he wants my blood. Reason he foses me sounds genuine and non-opportunistic.
Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2016 10:01 pm
by MURDERCAT
Cake is scum IMO
Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2016 10:49 pm
by Transcend
Yes, he's scum just like Dunn and DixC were according to your predictions.
Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2016 11:43 pm
by Persivul
In post 1707, Transcend wrote:Reason he foses me sounds genuine and non-opportunistic.
His reasons for scum reading you seem very thin and weak to me. Can you explain this further?
Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2016 11:47 pm
by Transcend
because i feel i'm scummy lol
i don't feel like i'm obvtown this game as opposed to others where i have.
i don't feel like i'm obvtown this game as opposed to others where i have.
That's a dodge. What specific things that he's said to explain his scum read on you sound "genuine"?
Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2016 1:02 am
by Persivul
mod, can we get a prod on Ranger please?
Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2016 3:13 am
by Persivul
I've been thinking cakez and transcend are scummy, but at least they're participating.
Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2016 3:37 am
by SirCakez
In post 1706, Persivul wrote:As someone noted, with randomness repeats are expected, not just one of each number every time. The test above supports that. I've played this setup with two N1 cops, and both hit scum.
Fine...why? Your reasoning is thin and weak. You two have been on a lot of wagons together - karnos, smithers, penguin, dixc. D2 you started on trans, but the day ended with you two alone together on dixc:
You weak push trans with little reasoning and vote with him a lot. Wouldn't surprise me if you two are scum together. I was going to keep this to myself for awhile and wait to see if you made a weak transition onto Anen, but no one's playing and I'm bored.
Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2016 4:24 am
by SirCakez
From his play
There's multiple quotes back in my ISO
Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2016 4:44 am
by Persivul
Not really. You said his move onto anen was bad, then town read him awhile, then quoted a couple posts and said something like
this is terrible
. Weak pushing, and coupled with you voting alongside him pretty regularly, it's not very convincing.
Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2016 5:31 am
by SirCakez
voting with =/= should be townreading
especially since the people I've been voting have flipped town <.<
I agree, the game is in a frustrating place right now.
I'm just going to lynch Aneninen if he doesn't at least claim. I think getting the remaining claims will allow us to determine the scummiest of the potential scum.
TBH, I think sircakez should just go ahead and claim now as well to save time.
You see, this is one reason why I do kind-of want to lynch Transcend to confirm them.
If Transcned is confirmed as town, that confirms this as an all-town wagon.
And that, naturally, impacts my feedback on the game.
Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2016 9:42 pm
by Transcend
you know ranger instead of crafting bullshit reasons to lynch me you could make a case on me.