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In post 1699, Dunnstral wrote:So by the inverse you think gamma scum = shadow town?

More or less.
My main point is that Maria is flipping scum though. Gamma and Maria are not scum together.

When I get home I'll post thoughts on the gamma ISO I did yesterday. Was hoping to get some thoughts from inspector first about something weird I caught but he hasn't said anything so now I feel like a loner :/

That said, I think Shadow is the strongest scum indivdual. Vedith pair is the scummiest pair.

However, I am literally baffled by how literally everyone is ignoring MDS while she gives 0 concrete reads. Literally waffle posts

Literally her 2 posts back

In post 1591, MiniDeathStar wrote:Town pairs for me so far:

Cerb/Nahdia
Jester/Mini
HS/Parama
(Jester thinks Maria/Shadow is town, too, but I'm not too sure)

Mini's town, leave her alone.

Actually lets try this.

MDS your top 3 scumread and why aren't you voting any of them.

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No, not Jester's reads. No, idc what he thinks about then. YOUR own thoughts.

Pedit: Its easy to call people town. You get to slide under the radar without people arguing with you or asking to explain as much.

Who do you think is scum jester

@Dayne I've talked with her enough in our pt to judge her alignment. Take my word for it or don't. You're just making suboptimal lynch choice which is cause I townread you.

@Dunn maybe Gamma or your partner. Too bad I tr Vedith and yourself.

I have basically just accepted the fact that I will never get anywhere if I try to read the entire game before posting every time.

by and large, I definitely agree with Nahdia that we need to be town hunting here and that optimal play is identifying a town/town pair that should survive to endgame; I largely think that if we're debating what order to lynch the rest of the pairs in, it should be done for information purposes and not by serially identifying the scummiest pairs. for that reason, I don't particularly care *that* much about who the lynch is so long as I'm not reading the pair as town.

as of page like 50-something, I still think The_Jester is scum, and I largely agree with consensus that GE/Vedith needs to die before endgame (this meaning I agree GE needs to die before endgame). I'm sad to admit that I could also see mhsmith0 as scum pretty easily, just based on how passive he is, though I'm open to correction if anyone wants to point me to something town he's done in the past however-many pages.

I am still very wary of Parama, although I think they look slightly better than I thought before based on what I have seen from them.

Kagami-san, you called for me?

Yo
Do we still need death if both Shadow and HS flip scum?

In post 1708, Gamma Emerald wrote:Yo
Do we still need death if both Shadow and HS flip scum?

I have not thought about that at all. if you want me to comment on this, you'll need to walk me through what your argument here is.

ftr, I have HS as town.

meh, sounds like we're on the same page.

In post 1709, pieguyn wrote:

In post 1708, Gamma Emerald wrote:Yo
Do we still need death if both Shadow and HS flip scum?

I have not thought about that at all. if you want me to comment on this, you'll need to walk me through what your argument here is.

ftr, I have HS as town.

First is the fact I SR Shadow because his method of play doesn't feel like he is town, especially his aversion to giving solid reads. I see some, but it's scattered and hard to analyze.
Then there's the fact Maria states Shadow has been really nice and apologetic in the PT. Scum don't need to do this with scumbuddies so I think Maria is town
Then there's HS's "if Maria flips town GE/Vedith should go". She only mentions Maria's alignment there, and it makes me think she's setting my pair up to take the fall after a Shadow + Maria flip
So if both Shadow and HS flip scum, there should be no doubt my pair is town based on how they set us up.

In post 1710, Kagami wrote:meh, sounds like we're on the same page.

should I switch over to GE?

also, does this include Parama? I don't seem to remember you having a scum read on them.

In post 1712, pieguyn wrote:

In post 1710, Kagami wrote:meh, sounds like we're on the same page.

should I switch over to GE?

also, does this include Parama? I don't seem to remember you having a scum read on them.

I think Parama is town based on how she is pushing Shadow

In post 1711, Gamma Emerald wrote:First is the fact I SR Shadow because his method of play doesn't feel like he is town, especially his aversion to giving solid reads. I see some, but it's scattered and hard to analyze.
Then there's the fact Maria states Shadow has been really nice and apologetic in the PT. Scum don't need to do this with scumbuddies so I think Maria is town
Then there's HS's "if Maria flips town GE/Vedith should go". She only mentions Maria's alignment there, and it makes me think she's setting my pair up to take the fall after a Shadow + Maria flip
So if both Shadow and HS flip scum, there should be no doubt my pair is town based on how they set us up.

I honestly would have to go back and look at the posts myself before making a judgement call on this, but I would definitely consider it.

In post 1713, Gamma Emerald wrote:I think Parama is town based on how she is pushing Shadow

that's actually a part of why I'm wary of them. pushing one person really hard and insisting that they're lynched before anyone else is really counter-productive in this setup (lololol), and I do not think that their interpretation of S_S's 212 was all that great. unless Parama is a player who has certain tendencies as town (lololol), my gut call on this is that it looks more like scum hoping to hard push someone in order to get town read for "genuinely believing in their read" without realizing that there isn't much of a reason to push anyone that hard in this setup.

I'm also very not OK with the fact that HS is saying they're doing a lot and looking really town in the PT, without putting anything similar into the game thread. it's a fairly textbook scum strategy to tailor your play really hard to people who you have neighborhoods with in the hope that they will defend you for it.

for whatever reason, I didn't mind the fact that they explicitly went out of their way to point out to me what I missed in S_S's 212, as well as some other things they did in their last round of posts, so I don't feel that strongly about any of this. I likely would not worry that hard about it outside of e.g. MYLO.

it would make the most sense if Parama was under the impression they were being set up to be an/the town pair intended to be alive at endgame, but I don't think that's the case? correct me if I'm wrong on this.

You're a fair bit more suspicious of parama than I am, I'd say, but I've voiced similar-ish concerns in pt

I think I liked the 8day total time limit better

the only thing I've put in the PT and not in thread is my overall reads lists but I feel I've been pretty transparent on most of my reads regardless

I don't even understand your argument tho tbh

Why the hell -shouldn't- I focus on my top scumread? If I had been completely avoiding talking about anyone else then sure you'd have a point but 5 seconds of my iso can show that's not the case

In post 1706, The_Jester wrote:@Dayne I've talked with her enough in our pt to judge her alignment. Take my word for it or don't. You're just making suboptimal lynch choice which is

sad

cause I townread you.

See the thing is, being "townie" or "town-looking" is just NOT good enough. The wincon isn't "go look townie" it's "find scum". So far:

MDS has no scumreads
You have no scumreads
Shadow has NO reads
Dunn has NO reads
Maria has NO reads
Vedith has 1 read
Parama has 1 read
Cerb has done nothing
mhsmith has done nothing (except discuss setup early on ~so~ helpful wow)
Gamma has ????????? reads
Kagami has ????????? reads

Me and inspector have discussed more reads than I feel has been discussed in 70 pages of this thread.

Imagine the deadline was only 8 days for all of Day 1 like the other games. Seriously imagine that.

>parama has 1 read

haha screw off

That entire list is a giant freaking misrep in general tbh

And then whenever I push/vote someone instead of engaging with the actual person or trying to see what they think or something I get their partner yelling at me saying they're town

My reads are determined around what I currently think
I think Shadow is scum and Maria is town, structuring some of my other reads
Don't like how you're talking down all of us