Mini 2065 - Access Point [Endgame]

[Alisae]

Like holy shit I thought I told you not to go join games I am in and you knew you didn’t like me
So you join this game expecting I’ll be fucking civil?

I may be fucking reformed, but joining a game with someone who you know doesn’t like you is asking for trouble.

[momo]

Okay you can interact with this buffoon and tell me if he’s town or not
Whatever it is, I’m turning my script on when I get on a computer

I don't like this at all. Makes me feel more like Alisae is scum. There is a well-established history of personal conflict in between myself and Alisae for eir to be able to say something like this as scum without seeming overtly scummy.

go cry to your mom
You have a playstyle that only a mother could love

And that playstyle would be disagreeing with you.

Maybe act like town, play to the town wincondition, and stop the ad-hom attacks.

NinEdit: Ali I haven't played for quite a while, I just replaced into the first game I could to make my return to mafia.

[Alisae]

Ali I haven't played for quite a while, I just replaced into the first game I could to make my return to mafia.

I don’t care

[momo]

Also, yes I think being civil is good. I barely know you, can't remember why you hate me, and honestly don't care. I think that you should be civil and engage in discussion beneficial to the town because being courteous to your fellow players is a rule of the game.

I think you're a decent player and I don't have anything personal against you.

[Alisae]

I rather fucking puke tbh

[momo]

And also, Alisae is doing everything e can to change the topic from confirming our chance at succeeding in LyLo to something personal.

Someone please DayVig eir.

[Alisae]

I am so fucking livid right now
And I’m actually physically restraining myself from asking to replace out because FakeGod doesn’t deserve that, but also doesn’t deserve me blowing up in his game because some imbecile who knowingly knows that I dislike him decides to join the game anyways.

I don’t eve feel good about having letting any of my emotions slip through, that doesn’t make a pleasant mafia expierence.

[Ankamius]

Well, Occam's razor disagrees with you.

DrDoLittle is confirmed town and was active.
northsidegal was active and sent into the AP day one.
GuiltyLion/TGP are confirmed town and... somewhat exist. They are mostly irrelevant to this but it should be noted that their relative inactivity is not as indicative as the rest partially because they are conftown and partially because they cannot be added to the access point and have to be very specific with their vig shots.

Now who's left?

RC/Alisae -> very active across both slots, left because of playstyle differences
Labrat/Ankamius -> inactive town replaced by active town, both slots tried to ensure their townreads are pushed into the AP
Insomnia -> very active, looking to push townreads into the AP
RCEnigma -> not very active, but looking to push town into the AP
RuiRui -> not very active, but looking to push town into the AP

there's only four slots left that really haven't played to a town win condition.

I think your slot is the most likely town among the four because Locke still at least tried and you are currently trying, but...

BRVR just pushed whatever, didn't seem to care.
rosterfoster just pushed whatever, didn't seem to care.
DoubtingThomas did fucking nothing, didn't seem to care.

What picture does this paint to you, momo?

[Ankamius]

Alisae just block him please

I'll avoid quoting him

[Alisae]

Alisae just block him please

I'll avoid quoting him

I definitely plan on it

[Ankamius]

tl;dr

I'm seeing evidence of all but three players playing to a town wincondition
and exactly three players NOT playing to a win condition

[Ankamius]

BRVR’s catchup post does not come from scum though.

I’m not going to lie, I tried and failed to read the pages I missed.

Tbh the best option is to shoot me, discover I’m town, then send BRVR and Insomnia into the access point and town wins.

VOTE: Ankamius

I’m useless this game, whatever.

If you think I’m confscum you should shoot me, then you can start rethinking things when you realise I’m shittown.

What if I vote with you?

VOTE: RuiRui

It is painfully obvious that BRVR is town though.

Also it’s gonna be hilarious when you discover I’m just playing like shit.

Yeah I think I’m gonna pretend these games never happened. I’m usually so much better.

This is not playing to a town win condition.

[Ankamius]

Oh my god i'm so sorry I forgot I was in this game. Only thing I'm surprised about is that two people replaced out. Another thing i'm surprised about is that people are town reading me despite the fact I've not even been paying attention to the game nor trying to. I just read around 12 or 13 pages and i'm pretty slow so that's gonna be hard for me to process. Right now I'm unsure who we should send if the mafia get another kill tonight. I'm convinced that these players are town
RCE
Alisae
Ankamius
I'd send Insomnia on the mission tomorrow if everybody wants to, but if it goes to Lylo I might end up voting them over NSG and... i think Ank or Rui who are the top candidates for being APd today?
I might have more tomorrow cuz i'm tired and this was all thought of in about a span of like 45 minutes

Yeah if we had to shoot somebody i'd probably shoot me or RosterFoster or another inactive poster. I'm just very useless right now cuz... i'm usually useless. That vote on me is really weird i'm most likely scum if scum are lurkers. I'm just really unsatisfied by my lack of good posts. I haven't really contributed to anything except agreeing with common reads i think? Anyways i'm gonna VOTE: Rui Rui based on Roster's bad vote on me. Rui Rui was gonna be sent tomorrow right? I'll explain what i'm thinking tomorrow if the day ends while i'm sleeping.

Roster is a bit scummy to me and I wouldn't vote with them. Why not Rui then you/RCE tomorrow? Both plans work well and we'll still win.

That turned around quick. I'm gonna keep my vote on Rui Rui though.
Really hard to explain why but i'll still tell you guys tomorrow even if you guys still AP Aliease. Not like after today like in game tomorrow is what I mean.

This is heavily disengaged. Consistent with scum not knowing how to continue playing the game.

[Ankamius]

rce
nsg
RC
insomnia

everyone else

DDL
Locke

is where i am at

gonna have to iso others, tbh

sup kids what have i missed

not connected to this game ata alll

why are we AP'ing anka, tbh

@mod

Sorry, I have been completely out of this game and all the players in this game deserve better.

I'll replcae out

This is heavily disengaged. Consistent with scum not knowing how to continue playing the game.

[Ankamius]

VOTE: Ankamius
labrat's push for insomnia felt genuine and I've liked Ankamius so far so I'm fine with this.

Also I believe Insomnia, did you suggested vigs shoot me? Not inherently opposed to idea but what information would it really give town?

Locke, are you fine with Rui being sent into the AP today?

Yes, I think I mentioned that Rui was part of my D3 pool during D1 though I'm not sure. I don't really care that much whether its D2/D3 so I would be fine with APing Rui if that appears to be the majority opinion today.

Hmm, why haven't you wanted to be AP'd? Locke and DT.

:lol:
1st. I had no delusions that it would be even remotely a possibility in the first place
2nd. I have 0 experience with this setup or a setup like while the game has been filled with people with a much better grasp of not only mafia in general but this setup specifically
3rd. If there is a mafia in the pool by the end of D3 and I was AP'd, we lose. I'm not a strong enough mafia player to put the responsibility of winning the game for the rest of town, only one of whom would be there to help me, on my shoulders

This is Locke genuinely believing what he is saying despite being very inactive.

He's playing to a town win condition.

[momo]

Alright then Ali, given that you've decided not to let your emotions slip through, please describe in an objective manner beneficial to town why DayViging you right now doesn't increase our chances of winning the game (and please don't make the argument that "I know I'm town because anyone can say that).

Can you objectively deny that this basically confirms NSG and Anka as town both to each other and the general town, guaranteeing us a win in LyLo.

NinjaEdit: I see your point Anka. I can say that I'm town and should be sent to AP but I would say that as scum too. If you all think I'm town, you should send me but my main focus rn is finding two more townies.

I can say that if we choose not to DayVig Alisae, I'm fine with myself being sent. But that said, then I wouldn't know if I should trust NSG in lylo.

NinEdit2: Yeah roster is def not getting sent to AP.

NinEdit3: Roster might just be lazy but BRVR and RuiRui being scum together is something I can accept.

That said Anka, while I agree with your scumreads, my main question is who are your town reads and who do you support getting sent to AP. Also, what are your thoughts on an Alisae DayVig?

[insomnia]

GL I think roster and brvr are playing wifom and think they are killproof

I would’ve loved to call their bluff and shoot them both kappa

[Alisae]

Alright then Ali

Yeah no you don’t have permission to talk to me and I’m going to add u to my mute script when I get on a computer.

[Ankamius]

I'd be comfortable with RCE in the AP too

Alisae seems town to me

Ankamius is my preferred AP today

would be fine with insomnia in AP

Anyone else aside from me I don't want in the AP

I just want Grand Paradox to come back and take a looksie at labrat/Ank again, since that's the only reason we couldn't push that in

NSG/Alisae/Rui (fear of insta loss here from Alisae-Rui powerscum team)

Just fyi I had the opportunity to hammer Alisae earlier but you said you were going to post thoughts so I held off

I townread labrat independent of the replace out at the end - ank was saying she doesn't want to be ap'd just because of the replace out

I don't think this is a lose, I'm townreading NSG + Ank and I believe they can make the right call if a lylo situation occurs, also there are many people I am find with sending so I think we can win without the lylo

IF RCEnigma is scum then they embarked on a mission to tunnel me into the AP just to make me look bad after they flip

But they aren't setting themselves to be in the AP 3rd and I don't see any other scum getting into the AP

And if there's no scum in the final 3 then town wins

If I get nked send Alisae

RuiRui shoots you
RuiRui points to this post to discredit me

If that goes to F3 she can win that fairly easily.

What do you mean? For us to both be in final 3 we'd have to be AP'd today and tomorrow, if you get sent d2 then why does insomnia dying the next day mean anything? Plus I'd push for Ank. If I get sent d2 then I can't be shooting anyone - I noticed in the rules that the mafia can only talk to each other during the night.

I kind of feel like bvrv is pushing me into the ap with the expectation that they'll be shot today

which makes me kind of side-eye you then asking for that to be shot :/

Alisae relax

I'm town, I'm not going to nitpick about you if we're alive on day 3, I trust your slot to be town

Does anybody here think that RCEnigma can be scum if I'm town?

I'm ok with Alisae in the AP too

I think it's important to understand that without the ability to talk during the day, it can be hard for mafia to have a coordinated plan of attack - that's a good explanation for the current gamestate

This does not look like there is a scum agenda behind it. What exactly is RuiRui going to do in the AP in a LyLo situation against town!nsg and town!me/town!alisae? the two most active leader types still in the game right now? I would strongly assume there would be wooden posting or some form of panic/giving up but I'm really not seeing it here.

[Ankamius]

Alright then Ali, given that you've decided not to let your emotions slip through, please describe in an objective manner beneficial to town why DayViging you right now doesn't increase our chances of winning the game (and please don't make the argument that "I know I'm town because anyone can say that).

Can you objectively deny that this basically confirms NSG and Anka as town both to each other and the general town, guaranteeing us a win in LyLo.

NinjaEdit: I see your point Anka. I can say that I'm town and should be sent to AP but I would say that as scum too. If you all think I'm town, you should send me but my main focus rn is finding two more townies.

I can say that if we choose not to DayVig Alisae, I'm fine with myself being sent. But that said, then I wouldn't know if I should trust NSG in lylo.

NinEdit2: Yeah roster is def not getting sent to AP.

NinEdit3: Roster might just be lazy but BRVR and RuiRui being scum together is something I can accept.

That said Anka, while I agree with your scumreads, my main question is who are your town reads and who do you support getting sent to AP. Also, what are your thoughts on an Alisae DayVig?

I don't agree with anyone being vigged.

I don't think the AP should be outside me/alisae/ruirui primarily due to the slight odds of insomnia still being scum deepwolfing.

[insomnia]

I’m mafia god

[insomnia]

I’m basically kill proof

If I even request getting vigged I won’t get shot

Because our vigs are thinking they are agents for some reason

I’m playing the same card as scum rn

Anyone can claim they want to get shot and it’s never going to happen

[momo]

Alright then Ali, given that you've decided not to let your emotions slip through, please describe in an objective manner beneficial to town why DayViging you right now doesn't increase our chances of winning the game (and please don't make the argument that "I know I'm town because anyone can say that).

Can you objectively deny that this basically confirms NSG and Anka as town both to each other and the general town, guaranteeing us a win in LyLo.

NinjaEdit: I see your point Anka. I can say that I'm town and should be sent to AP but I would say that as scum too. If you all think I'm town, you should send me but my main focus rn is finding two more townies.

I can say that if we choose not to DayVig Alisae, I'm fine with myself being sent. But that said, then I wouldn't know if I should trust NSG in lylo.

NinEdit2: Yeah roster is def not getting sent to AP.

NinEdit3: Roster might just be lazy but BRVR and RuiRui being scum together is something I can accept.

That said Anka, while I agree with your scumreads, my main question is who are your town reads and who do you support getting sent to AP. Also, what are your thoughts on an Alisae DayVig?

I don't agree with anyone being vigged.

I don't think the AP should be outside me/alisae/ruirui primarily due to the slight odds of insomnia still being scum deepwolfing.

This is my problem. I think Rui could be scum, can't be sure with Alisae, and can't confirm you without RC and Alisae's alignment being revealed.

If RC flips town, LabRat can't be scum. This carries on to their replacements.

The other option is send someone else day 2. Vig Ali Day 3 to confirm identity while not "silencing" eir. And sending you if Ali flips town. Day 3.

[RCEnigma]

The vig shot on RC is if he flips scum, then there is a really high chance of NSG being scum with him.

I'm town regardless of whether RC is town or not (although I think that he is). There is no universe in which me and RC are both scum here and the decision is made to send me. It just doesn't happen.

like

I've neve played with NSG before

but I HAVE played with RC plenty of times and I've seen enough about NSG's townplay and scumplay to believe that this is very likely to be genuinely true.

RC's plan in this scenario is to win by sending two scum into the AP, which doesn't make a whole lot of sense with NSG being scum unless the third is Ruirui or RCE.

See that's the thing. I don't like RuiRui or RCE in this game.

I've established my reasons on RuiRui. On RCE, I believe he's said that he has ideas that he doesn't want to share.

I understand this from a veteran member like RC but from someone relatively new like RCE it seems like posturing. That said, I can't remember a game with him so I don't know.

do you think that all the town just stopped caring?

I know I did. Sorry.

[insomnia]

I think GL needs to risk and shoot

Let’s put me, DT, roster and Brvr in random.org

And then we figure out the shots

Let’s add some spice to this game