2235: Gensokyo ~ END ~

[Yukari Yakumo]

if LLD is a scum Ascetic then the Hiding wouldn't work right?

3a. "Why?/But I think LLD is scum!"
- LLD cannot be nightkilled. StrangeMatter is a hider. If LLD is scum, she cannot nightkill StrangeMatter because she will have to nightkill herself to kill the hider / StrangerMatter's death drastically reduce scumpool to {Norwee/LLD}. The only way StrangeMatter dies is either LLD is acetic or Norwee delayed StrangeMatter and killed her. If LLD is town, well, scum cannot nightkill her.

[Yukari Yakumo]

it's pretty strange just yesterday after Kilga flipped scum you were all "just elim me my reads suck"

and now you are saying "trust my plan, block me and prove that i'm town"

I'm guessing Norwee's block doesn't quite work on you and you thought of this plan to stay alive by keep norwee alive since that's pretty much the only reason norwee would be alive today.

I’m pretty sure that “kill me” just meant “I’m bad.”

[Yukari Yakumo]

Also Mokou ascetic doesn’t really make sense for me.

[Gamma Emerald]

I’m trying to think of how the interaction of SM targeting someone targeting an ascetic would work
The first question is “does unwnd count a roleblocked action as showing up to a tracker?”
The only unwnd modded game I can immediately recall is Yggdrasil, and idk if anyone else here was in that

[Sanae]

Also Mokou ascetic doesn’t really make sense for me.

I'm not trying to outguess the mod, I am trying to mech-gurantee our winning this game

[Sanae]

It's really weird to me that nobody else seems concerned about Norwee being alive today

[Gamma Emerald]

If things work out a certain way I think we should be able to know LLD’s alignment for sure based on what SM reports back with

[Sanae]

Norwee as claimed can clear 1 person per night.

We already have SM as confirmed innocent.

Why did the scum choose to leave Norwee alive instead of shooting Norwee and letting him confirm? It's not like the scum can outrace Norwee clearing people.

The most obvious explanation for me is that scum are not worried about being targetted by Norwee - which means whoever is trying to get themselves "cleared" by being "roleblocked" is the mafia.

[Yukari Yakumo]

It's really weird to me that nobody else seems concerned about Norwee being alive today

I mean I openly claimed yesterday that I was going to wifom between Norwee and Gamma.
SirCakez death was expected.

[Sanae]

If I'm wrong about LLD you have 2 elims after this to kill me/yukari and still lock-win this game.

I do not think I am wrong and I am very worried she will be able to win this game off "mech" if you allow her to continue living.

[Yukari Yakumo]

It's really weird to me that nobody else seems concerned about Norwee being alive today

I mean I openly claimed yesterday that I was going to wifom between Norwee and Gamma.
SirCakez death was expected.

This was also my goal because I didn’t townread SirCakez lol
It was either I get my sweet release or have scum solve SirCakez for me.

[Sanae]

Even if you protect Norwee, it is better for scum to shoot at Norwee and have a chance of killing Norwee rather than let Norwee clear people.

A blocked shot clears noone.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

If the shot is blocked, that's okay, because no death is a win, essentially.

Look, killing Sanae today is the play and Sanae's arguments for why we should essentially follow the same plan, but with Sanae in my spot instead are... laughably scummy.

[Gamma Emerald]

Cakez shot also made me feel validated as I’m at like 100% read rate on him after I retuned the way I make reads

[Sanae]

I am happy to die the day after you but I am fairly sure there will be no day after you die LLD

[Sanae]

If you're town you don't actually have any incentive to argue with me since I am agreeing to die the day after you

[Lady Lambdadelta]

If you're town you don't actually have any incentive to argue with me since I am agreeing to die the day after you

If you really are town, you'd know I was saying this first, and you're just reversing my argument, but with a worse logic.

[Yukari Yakumo]

Oh yeah btw if I’m scum I would’ve killed Norwee and claimed that I protected Gamma.
My claimed PoE pool was cakez/Sanae yesterday so I would not have killed cakez.
There is no wifom here because with Norwee alive it was very obvious I was gonna get PoE’d to a loss.

[Sanae]

Look, killing Sanae today is the play and Sanae's arguments for why we should essentially follow the same plan, but with Sanae in my spot instead are... laughably scummy.

this is reductionist - she is hand-waving my arguments about why this game state makes perfect sense with her trying to set up a win by saying that I am simply repeating her plan with a changed order of elims.

This is patently not true - I am not volunteering to be "block-cleared" by norwee, I am volunteering to be eliminated tommorrow.

That's not the same thing.

If LLD flips scum today - the game is over.

If LLD flips town today - Norwee blocks Gamma and we have 2 eliminations left to kill myself/Yukari.

There is no way this ends any other way but a town win.

She has no reason to argue against this except she is scum and really doesn't have a choice here.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Look, killing Sanae today is the play and Sanae's arguments for why we should essentially follow the same plan, but with Sanae in my spot instead are... laughably scummy.

this is reductionist - she is hand-waving my arguments about why this game state makes perfect sense with her trying to set up a win by saying that I am simply repeating her plan with a changed order of elims.

This is patently not true - I am not volunteering to be "block-cleared" by norwee, I am volunteering to be eliminated tommorrow.

That's not the same thing.

If LLD flips scum today - the game is over.

If LLD flips town today - Norwee blocks Gamma and we have 2 eliminations left to kill myself/Yukari.

There is no way this ends any other way but a town win.

She has no reason to argue against this except she is scum and really doesn't have a choice here.

And if you die first, the town wins the game with less chances of loss.

[Gamma Emerald]

Why isn’t Norwee scum here Sanae? Your last post ignores that possibility

[Sanae]

Didn't SM say they cleared Norwe?

[Gamma Emerald]

Oh yeah he’s functionally cleared by Norwee not acting N1 when Kilga was likely not the killer

[Yukari Yakumo]

Why isn’t Norwee scum here Sanae? Your last post ignores that possibility

Norwee is confirmed to not have made any action N1.
Go look at Kilga’s role and see if they would have made a nightkill with 2 scums left Night 1.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Why isn’t Norwee scum here Sanae? Your last post ignores that possibility

Norwee is confirmed to not have made any action N1.
Go look at Kilga’s role and see if they would have made a nightkill with 2 scums left Night 1.

So a Sanae lim into our night plan super always wins then, right?