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Posted: **Mon Nov 22, 2021 11:18 am**

What is your point?

Posted: **Mon Nov 22, 2021 11:20 am**

You’re trying to discredit my accusation by calling me crazy.

Posted: **Mon Nov 22, 2021 11:59 am**

In post 1695, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 1691, DArby wrote:
In post 1689, VP Baltar wrote:
In post 1688, DArby wrote:
In post 1681, DArby wrote: If Pooky’s argument
Key word if.

I changed votes because I realized my reason for voting Dunn is stupid.
Why is it stupid?

Also, when and how will you know IF pooky's points are valid?
With the replacement, it would only be 1-2 days of pressure for the replacement to say anything. I don't realistically expect a rando to read all of these pages, come to a logical conclusion, engage with pushback, AND town coming to a consensus in that time. It sounds better on paper if we had more time for the replacement.

Gamma and you would be my main indicator. I'd imagine Gamma would push back, and F&G would push back to that. They will either bring up the relevant pieces of the meta to this game and agree on some form of facts (to which I could make a conclusion then) and/or you as an informed third party would correct any wrong statements. It's not fool proof but I don't like doing extra work when it can be avoided.
What you’re expecting to happen is already happening tho, where’s your take on that???

Correct. Present tense happening. It’s not over and new info to me is still being shared.

I’m not fully following “where’s my take”? Both Dunn and your argument both rely on meta. I don’t care to do meta work myself unless I have to. Your take isn’t helping your case and I decided I don’t like the logic I used anymore.

I have simply just changed my mind.

Posted: **Mon Nov 22, 2021 12:00 pm**

What I quoted to VP particularly doesn’t paint you in the best light for me.

Posted: **Mon Nov 22, 2021 12:01 pm**

Really feels like you’re skating around taking a definite stance here.

Posted: **Mon Nov 22, 2021 12:11 pm**

Like, you keep saying things look good or bad, that’s not really a clear opinion on how you’re taking things.

Posted: **Mon Nov 22, 2021 12:58 pm**

In post 1704, Gamma Emerald wrote:Really feels like you’re skating around taking a definite stance here.

Yes. Because I don’t want to. As I said multiple times before the main arguments of the other wagons are based off of meta. Why would I want to take a strong position on something I’m open im not interested in?

Posted: **Mon Nov 22, 2021 1:01 pm**

In post 1705, Gamma Emerald wrote:Like, you keep saying things look good or bad, that’s not really a clear opinion on how you’re taking things.

That’s typically how I play d1 and I’d think is NAI. I don’t make bigger moves til after a few flips. Especially in a game where I’ve played with 3 people here max as a replacement.

Posted: **Mon Nov 22, 2021 1:30 pm**

In post 1701, Gamma Emerald wrote:You’re trying to discredit my accusation by calling me crazy.

Your accusation is that Scum!me sees you as an easy mis-elimination and that you've done research into this and you think that's what I'm doing here.

I asked you for a single example of scum!me pushing town!you's elimination on D1 from your research.

You gave me 2 examples, and in neither game did I actually push for you to be eliminated - on Day 1 or any other Day.

This is not me calling you crazy.

This is me pointing out you don't actually have any evidence.

I would also point out that when you decided to be accepting of your death and you were on E-1(which is basically waiting for NM to log on), Skitter actually bought your AtE and unvoted - hardly behavior that I think makes sense if we are salivating for your mis-elimination.

Posted: **Mon Nov 22, 2021 1:53 pm**

In post 1694, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 1665, VP Baltar wrote:Gamma, how confident are you in this pooky tell? It reads quite thin.
Not as much as I was before. But I also do not like their way of reacting to my pressure of gaslighting me.

i kinda object to the notion that we're gaslighting you ...

~ skitter

Posted: **Mon Nov 22, 2021 2:19 pm**

In post 1697, VP Baltar wrote:
In post 1696, Sleepless Assassin wrote:
In post 1693, VP Baltar wrote:
In post 1692, Sleepless Assassin wrote:Fun and Games vs Gamma didn't change a ton for me. It looks like Fun and Games saying why they suspect Gamma and Gamma getting upset . What does stand out:
-Gamma getting upset now when he didn't seem to care he almost died earlier. Not sure this means anything but it stood out
-Gamma seeming to at the same time have strong opinions and care a lot while forgetting details and saying he would rather lose and have fun than win and not. It feels contradictory but again I don't see scum motivation in that.
-Why do I feel like I'd be scum reading Pooky if not for being in a hydra with skitter. Ahhh my brain lol.
-I wasn't gonna say anything but Bingle already did and scum is never killing Gamma anyway. I also noticed a long time ago Gamma "spewed non PR" . So that's why I've been so willing to compromise on him.
This reads like you're more suspicious of the F&G side of things, but more willing to vote Gamma.
I don't want to vote either. But Gamma does look better than Pooky in that exchange so it makes sense you'd see it that way. Overall I still think the Fun and Games slot is townier. Consider it more of a "my eyes are open" moment on that slot than a scum read. Gamma I still think is town too just not with a ton of confidence. I think Darby is the only scum who is viable today.
So you are willing to vote there strictly because you think scum won't eliminate Gamma?

No. I'd vote there as last resort because it's possible I'm wrong and even if I'm not, the risk is less than with others. But what I said in my last post stands that I don't want to vote Gamma.

Posted: **Mon Nov 22, 2021 2:49 pm**

In post 1692, Sleepless Assassin wrote:-Gamma getting upset now when he didn't seem to care he almost died earlier. Not sure this means anything but it stood out

@Gamma- Is there a reason your motivation in this game has increased?

@SA- Is there a reason you didn't ask Gamma or F/G about any of the things that struck you as off in the back and forth?

Posted: **Mon Nov 22, 2021 3:44 pm**

I didn't see anything I needed cleared up from either one of them

Posted: **Mon Nov 22, 2021 4:06 pm**

I felt like ramping up the intensity after seeing Pooky slating me as the D1 miselim in another game
Atp tho I don’t feel as energized as I did when I initially saw that
I do think that I’d like the elim to be in F&G/DArby tho

Posted: **Mon Nov 22, 2021 4:31 pm**

Posted: **Mon Nov 22, 2021 4:33 pm**

In post 1713, Gamma Emerald wrote:I felt like ramping up the intensity after seeing Pooky slating me as the D1 miselim in another game
Atp tho I don’t feel as energized as I did when I initially saw that
I do think that I’d like the elim to be in F&G/DArby tho

I get me but F&G sounds like a personal push. They've made good arguments against your points while you're doubling down. My vote is now more serious.

Posted: **Mon Nov 22, 2021 4:36 pm**

Both of u seem so off to me >.>

~ skitter

Posted: **Mon Nov 22, 2021 4:38 pm**

My issue is primarily with the treatment I’ve received, making good points doesn’t negate that. Call it personal if you want but I just think it’s a horrible vibe.

Posted: **Mon Nov 22, 2021 4:43 pm**

Both gamma and darby have called the other a tr earlier and now both are voting (or are wiling to vote) the other

~ skitter

Posted: **Mon Nov 22, 2021 5:38 pm**

In post 1717, Gamma Emerald wrote:My issue is primarily with the treatment I’ve received, making good points doesn’t negate that. Call it personal if you want but I just think it’s a horrible vibe.

I don't have any personal animosity with you. In fact I usually townread you when you're town.

You claimed that I would as scum try to mis-elim Town!you early because I see you as an easy target or w/e.

I asked you for an example when that happened.

You have so far provided none.

Posted: **Mon Nov 22, 2021 5:43 pm**

I could likely find an example if I dug deep enough but idc to

Posted: **Mon Nov 22, 2021 7:54 pm**

In post 1718, Fun and Games wrote:Both gamma and darby have called the other a tr earlier and now both are voting (or are wiling to vote) the other

~ skitter

I have done the unforgivable: I have changed my opinion when presented with new information.

Lol, I jest. Is there anything else you find off?

Posted: **Mon Nov 22, 2021 7:57 pm**

What exactly was the new information again that made you scumnread Gamma? When you changed your vote, it seemed more about getting off of Dunn than on Gamma.

Posted: **Mon Nov 22, 2021 9:41 pm**

I am so meaningless, Pooky didn't notice i am voting them.

Posted: **Tue Nov 23, 2021 2:28 am**

In post 1712, Sleepless Assassin wrote:I didn't see anything I needed cleared up from either one of them

In post 1692, Sleepless Assassin wrote:-Gamma getting upset now when he didn't seem to care he almost died earlier. Not sure this means anything but it stood out
-Gamma seeming to at the same time have strong opinions and care a lot while forgetting details and saying he would rather lose and have fun than win and not. It feels contradictory but again I don't see scum motivation in that.
-Why do I feel like I'd be scum reading Pooky if not for being in a hydra with skitter. Ahhh my brain lol.

I feel like all of these are things worth following up on if they’re worth bringing up in the first place. Talk to me about F/G. What are you townreading about skitt/scumreading about pooky? I’m pretty much the opposite there, with pooky seeming town when he’s here and skitter giving me anxiety. Also do you have a gamma tow case you can make/link?

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