Open 644: Stack the Deck - Game Over

[Florestan]

VOTE: Ploben

screw constistency

[mhsmith0]

VOTE: Ploben

screw constistency

I want this wagon to through, but ew.

[mhsmith0]

^ "to go through"

[Chip Butty]

Sorry this game moved to a place that

I just find super boring

. I'm going to iso review people tonight to try to get something out of this game, if I still end up with nothing

I'll probably replace out

but we'll see.

I don't think either of the leading wagons are likely to flip scum. Thor more likely

but I'm being greedy and want to play with Thor

, so don't really want to lynch there honest.

These posts don't sit well together.

[Florestan]

cool

[Shadow_step]

Kuroi/florestan/Duppin or BTD

[Chip Butty]

Kuroi/florestan/Duppin or BTD

Florestan's recent ultrascumminess has me thinking along these lines too. Thor/Kuroi is the only one with a decent wagon. I have to confess, I am thinking of changing to him. There's still time to lynch him, and it would be super interesting if anyone suddenly felt the need to jump off.

@mhsmith, Ranger: Where are you guys on that?

[Chip Butty]

OTOH, it

has

been super hard to get the ploben lynch happening, so maybe we should just go with it...I dunno...

[mhsmith0]

So it's 5v5 right now.

Ploben (5) - chip butty, ranger, mhsmith, karnos, florestan (L-2)
Thor665 (5) - shadow, ploben, dunnstral, pantherpunt, BTD6 (L-2)

outside main wagons: duppin, Thor

I still prefer ploben wagon, but Kuroi was #2 wolf read, and while some of Thor's stuff seemed fine, I dislike Thor's push on dunn (reachy IMO). OTOH it could well be both Thor and Ploben as wolves, in which case we're set anyway.

I'm still thinking that it's two of three in {ploben, thor, btd6}. And I'd still rather lynch ploben first. I'll switch to Thor before EOD if I have to though.

[Thor665]

Don't overlike this. We're within 24 hours of Dayend, so (1) the game is going to get reinvigorated with a lynch very soon (Don't allow a no-lynch, please, Townguys) plus, prob an NK; and (2) I don't think there is time to get that wagon up in time, taking into account that we would want to get a claim, discuss it, etc.

I don't think either of the leading wagons are likely to flip scum. Thor more likely but I'm being greedy and want to play with Thor, so don't really want to lynch there honest.

we have some time left. I will switch to him if I have to to avoid no lynch. I'll give it a few hours to see if there's any last minute interest in ploben. would still rather ploben.

I'm am just left sad and depressed by the play quality of people saying stuff like this *while camping votes!*
You are making me suspect I'm an idiot who doesn't understand how the game and wagons work - I'm pretty sure you're allowed to move and start them up with ease, especially when someone has been actively pushing for over a day now.
Just saying.

I want this wagon to through, but ew.

[quote="In post 1733, mhsmith0"I dislike Thor's push on dunn (reachy IMO). [/quote]
Really?

Fine, I'll bite - describe the non-reachy case on me.
I dare you..

I don't think there is a case on my slot, and it's insane no one seems to admit this.
It's a derp lynch - and that's all fine and well on Day 1, but don't spit in my face and try to tell me it's raining, I'm not an idiot. Are you trying to pretend to be one?

[Thor665]

I dislike Thor's push on dunn (reachy IMO).

Really?

Fine, I'll bite - describe the non-reachy case on me.
I dare you.

I don't think there is a case on my slot, and it's insane no one seems to admit this.
It's a derp lynch - and that's all fine and well on Day 1, but don't spit in my face and try to tell me it's raining, I'm not an idiot. Are you trying to pretend to be one?

[Dunnstral]

I'd much prefer a Thor lynch over Ploben.

[mhsmith0]

@Plob - in a world where you're town, and feel one large wagon hard swung into a wagon on me, why are you voting me? Like, is your theory that scum hard swung a wagon away from scum onto...other scum?

Your Dunn case is basically

So is this (and other comments) an admission of loss of the scumread on my slot?
Because I don't think I've done anything, so basically you stopped scumreading the slot because a more intimidating player that you don't think you can get lynched is now in it?
What's up with that?

Pretty snarky reply considering you then answered the question for mhsmith a few posts later.

That's basically null, maybe lean wolf on Dunn's part. And I'm not voting for null, maybe lean wolf. I WANT to lynch ploben today. I find the resitance to lynching ploben to be bizarre as hell. I find you suspicious for trying to push the wagon away from ploben onto Dunn, especially given

@Plob - in a world where you're town, and feel one large wagon hard swung into a wagon on me, why are you voting me? Like, is your theory that scum hard swung a wagon away from scum onto...other scum?

which to me seems like a more likely wolf case than your Dunn case. Toss in 1657, and I just find it strange that you're pushing Dunn as a day one alternative to ploben. And then I remember your "Smith, I basically never bus" bit from our last game together, and I start to think it's Thor/ploben (or at least Thor/Dunn is almost never w/w). But I'd still much rather lynch ploben first and deal with everything else later.

As far as your slot goes, it's more kuroi than you, but there is a case. I talked about my $0.02 there on 1396, as well as 1453. No smoking gun, but decent evidence. I'd MUCH rather lynch ploben instead of you today, but I can live with your lynch.

[mhsmith0]

@thor, dunn: how about you both compromise on ploben today and then we can watch you two fight tomorrow?

[Dunnstral]

Scum are not going for a NL since I have never seen that happen,

one of the two wagons are going to be lynched and if scum aren't active it means that both are town.

This whole logic feels like an easy out to a town Ploben flip, really really disliking Chip here.

Wait what

Still wondering if this is some kind of a slip or what...

I do agree that Florestan is acting super sketchy all of a sudden

[mhsmith0]

Scum are not going for a NL since I have never seen that happen,

one of the two wagons are going to be lynched and if scum aren't active it means that both are town.

This whole logic feels like an easy out to a town Ploben flip, really really disliking Chip here.

Wait what

Still wondering if this is some kind of a slip or what...

I do agree that Florestan is acting super sketchy all of a sudden

I kinda agree. Not liking Flor at all at the moment. Tomorrow's problem though.

[Dunnstral]

And then I remember your "Smith, I basically never bus" bit from our last game together, and I start to think it's Thor/ploben (or at least Thor/Dunn is almost never w/w)

I mean I'm not mafia but remember that since he knows your last game together and that he said that he can manipulate things to trick you

@thor, dunn: how about you both compromise on ploben today and then we can watch you two fight tomorrow?

I'd raather get Thor though, there's a strong case against him as well, even if he refuses to acknowledge it

[mhsmith0]

In fairness, I've never seen Thor as wolf before (and our last game together lasted like 48 hours post my sub in, slicing out the "site crash" time). But I'd generally think that his resistance to bussing is a meaningful part of his meta, though obviously there can be exceptions. Like, that's not what I'd consider a key part of a case, but it's not nothing either. If ploben is a wolf and Dunn is town, in that world Thor looks much sketchier.

[Thor665]

@mhsmith - I asked you for your case on my slot, and I don't see anything coming.
Want to guess why that is?
No one could actually describe a case on my slot that is any better than my Dunnstral case, and I say that with 100% confidence without even reading the thread because I'm smart enough to look at how votes are ending up on me.

Yes, I understand you want my vote on Ploben, but that isn't the discussion we're having here, I'm trying to get you to understand why I find lynching on my wagon a good thing, and then to more deeply understand how opportunistic Dunnstral is really being.

[mhsmith0]

Seriously, though, the never-ending resistance to a ploben lynch is bizarre as hell, and I don't think the game state can move forward without resolving it. I think we NEED to see his flip at this point.

[mhsmith0]

@mhsmith - I asked you for your case on my slot, and I don't see anything coming.
Want to guess why that is?
No one could actually describe a case on my slot that is any better than my Dunnstral case, and I say that with 100% confidence without even reading the thread because I'm smart enough to look at how votes are ending up on me.

Yes, I understand you want my vote on Ploben, but that isn't the discussion we're having here, I'm trying to get you to understand why I find lynching on my wagon a good thing, and then to more deeply understand how opportunistic Dunnstral is really being.

I get that Dunn MAY be being opportunistic here, but I just don't see it as a slam dunk obv!wolf type case. It's super late in the day, and we need a lynch, and it may well be as simple as that. I don't see how it's clearly something more sinister and insincere.

[Dunnstral]

mhsmith you're tunneledman, there was tons of resistance on Ranger too and the only reason we'd be able to get Thor is because Ranger/Ploben are both willing to vote him (I'd be bussing kuroislot too if I had them as my partner)

[Thor665]

Seriously, the never ending resistance to the Dunnstral lynch is bizarre as hell.

Oh...wait...no, it's just everyone in this game is being really set in their tunnels, so, actually, no, it's not bizarre at all - well, it is, but not in the way you and Chip are trying to claim it as bizarre.

We don't NEED to see any particular flip at this stage, don't be silly.

Can you describe anyone's case on my slot?
Anyone at all?

[Dunnstral]

mhsmith don't act like there's no case on thor now just because he said so...

[Thor665]

I get that Dunn MAY be being opportunistic here, but I just don't see it as a slam dunk obv!wolf type case. It's super late in the day, and we need a lynch, and it may well be as simple as that. I don't see how it's clearly something more sinister and insincere.

Yes, how difficult it is what with my case having motive, example, and internal logic - really makes it so much weaker than others due to it being late in the day.

Or we could all just move, and do it, that's also an option.