Mafiascum.net

your collective VCA is questionable

keep in mind that TW was a wagon specifically backed and pushed by me, and i could easily have signed NSG onto it if we needed it for the day to end

jjh went for the higher fruit, ofrhz was too easy/obvious a mislynch
recall that jjh chose to defend ofrhz from us evil people who scumread him

jjh was using ofrhz as the classic "guy i hard-defend for towncred, and who i can chainsaw defend to fabricate scumreads"

lynching town-TW D1 would've been a huge win for scum

JJH likely white knighted ofrhz just like he did me, imo.

there was at least one other wagon that developed (hws) that neither of them jumped onto

But I kinda see your point. I guess if distancing wasn’t high on their priority list and based on the limited wagons presented, I could see them both voteparking tw

It's hard to white knight someone who's universally townread my man

In post 1689, Zoronos wrote: But I'm pondering 845 in the mean time.

Also, that's why this is important:
Math's take on 824 in 845 was after his first JJH vote, and immediately preceding the interaction between JJH and the_worst that NSG thought was scum theater (which led to TW voting JJH).
Math was on JJH early, then moved to TW after TW voted JJH, then back to JJH when momentum picked up, which gave me some suspicion that he might be the bus vote. However, 845 struck me as townier since I felt it was a much harder condemnation of a scum-bro than I'd normally expect.
I didn't want to say it out loud (yet) but I was okay implying it, because I wanted to see what ruru and ofhrz thought without biasing their opinions.

If Math is green then question is was he buddying both math and dave or just buddying math while meta-town-reading his scum buddy.

In post 1728, Mathdino wrote:It's hard to white knight someone who's universally townread my man

I was referring to JJH's early vote on Blackstar for voting me (the one that got NSG onto his trail).
The 'everyone town reads Zor' wasn't quite as solid back then, so there was theoretically more equity in being loud about it.

Why do you guys prefer HitAlt to Davesaz again?

In post 1600, ruru wrote:Actually I just read davesaz scum meta and I don't like this wagon or the davesaz+pin theory anymore

Has anyone played with davesaz other than math?

How about this

VOTE: HitAlt

Could you elaborate on dave’s Scum meta

jjh wasn't buddying me at all

he just knew that if he tried to omgus me by being like "town Mathdino would never scumread me here" i'd have dropped napalm on him

he responded the only correct way, with a "i get why math is scumreading me, he's town but i wish he could see deeper"
his downfall was when he told NSG she was playing like shit for scumreading him

re: dave: dude his points on dave have like 0 substance. it's just waffly waffleness. also no buddying there, it's just avoiding having to take an actual stance

To summarize, I think davesaz tries to avoid annoying people as scum

ofrhz is probably town we should look elsewhere atm

I don't think jjh has seen how hard I squirm when ppl try and mislynch me fwiw

is there anyone that wants to lynch ofrhz right now...
i don't have an inno on him but i agree ofrhz is highly likely town

ruru's take on dave is apt and i'm going to pretend that's why i started townreading him by meta
(in fact if ruru could just be my spokesperson this game that would be pretty solid)

today is HitAlt vs pintu i think?

Have you had your coffee yet duckling? I don’t think anyone’s scumreading me

Or if they are, they’re being awfully subtle about it

Ofrhz, don't tell anyone else, but I secretly scum read you. That's why I claimed hypo-inno. To throw them off my tracks.
Don't tell Ofrhz especially, I need to hide my secret read from her.

Wait.
Shit.

In post 1739, Zoronos wrote:Ofrhz, don't tell anyone else, but I secretly scum read you. That's why I claimed hypo-inno. To throw them off my tracks.
Don't tell Ofrhz especially, I need to hide my secret read from her.

Wait.
Shit.

QFT

no upsidedownckling I haven't had my coffee yet xD I saw math still explaining that you're town and thought I'd chime in

In post 1739, Zoronos wrote:Ofrhz, don't tell anyone else, but I secretly scum read you. That's why I claimed hypo-inno. To throw them off my tracks.
Don't tell Ofrhz especially, I need to hide my secret read from her.

Wait.
Shit.

It’s ok your secret is safe with me

In post 1738, ofrhz wrote:Have you had your coffee yet duckling? I don’t think anyone’s scumreading me

Or if they are, they’re being awfully subtle about it

Umm

I don't trust you in this game but I actually townread this post a lot more strongly than anything previous considering I just asked why confirmed scum didn't lynch you

In post 1696, Zoronos wrote:What do you mean by 'who came first'?

I can do legwork but you need to be more specific about what you're trying to find.

There are 3 people in the nsg quote.
worst wagon, hitalt wagon (was there even a hitalt wagon?); was jjh early or late on said wagons... or maybe on, off, back on?

When I read through the context of the stuff that NSG pointed out, along with the period between JJH and HWS claims, TW looks like he got caught too far into a cross-bus and couldn't disengage. The wagon dynamics back that up, and they each expressed strong scumreads on the other.

Still have some reservations though, it's easy to find that type of relationship when looking for it. For an example of how easy it is to get it wrong I need look no farther than my "inaction due to lack of time" and how it gets misread...

Oh BTW if Mathdino's vca post is correct, HitAlt has not been voted by anyone D1. That's mildly interesting.

Penny for your thoughts BlackStar

Especially if you have thoughts on Pintu or HitAlt

If you are familiar with Mastina's modding...

.. you will appreciate this