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Because you did it now that chick is gaining support and for a bs reason

Why you pushing me? I haven't done anything to you. Did you explain why you are voting chick or are you just sheeping along? If I hear a good reason to vote chick then I will.

votecount

With 26 alive it takes 14 to lynch.

BuJaber (6):	DrippingGoofball (609),	profii (1142),	Thor665 (1438),	Varsoon (1452),	CheekyTeeky (1603),	BrightEyedFish (1717),
Chickadee (5):	Fortian (830),	Creature (1540),	RCEnigma (1601),	Wisdom (1650),	davesaz (1658),
Nero Cain (4):	Gamma Emerald (1231),	DrewVa (1344),	Alonzo (1542),	pinturicchio (1593),
BrightEyedFish (2):	Alchemist21 (386),	BuJaber (1710),
RCEnigma (1):	Tails (477),
profii (1):	Reasonably Rational (893),
DrippingGoofball (1):	Amzela (1150),
Flavor Leaf (1):	Malakitty (1178),
Thor665 (1):	hebichan (1591),
CheekyTeeky (1):	Nero Cain (1640),
Not voting (3):	Toogeloo,	Flavor Leaf (416),	Chickadee (1442),

(expired on 2018-12-04 02:30:00) remain.

Dave put it pretty well. To boil it down there isn't an effort to scum or townhunt from Chickadee. Even the parameters she used to scumread Creature ONLY applied to creature and none of the other slots that fit in the same category.

So vote Chickadee.

VOTE: Chickadee

In post 1728, RCEnigma wrote:Dave put it pretty well. To boil it down there isn't an effort to scum or townhunt from Chickadee. Even the parameters she used to scumread Creature ONLY applied to creature and none of the other slots that fit in the same category.

A chick vote makes sense but I do really love my vote on Jaber.
So I'll be reasonable for once.

VOTE: Chickadee

But RCE, I would still like to get your current read on Jaber.

I want to say he's at least not scum, with bad scumreads except for the point on Hebi. Umm he has some weird logic, like his flip on Majiffy which may come from just putting thoughts down as he writes. It tends to happen to me a fair bit even if it makes sense in my head.

I don't know Bujaber and I haven't followed any of his games but the incongruities in his logic don't necessarily serve scum well, at least in the posts I noticed it in.

Did anything important happen yesterday?

We found scum.

Who and how?

votecount

With 26 alive it takes 14 to lynch.

Chickadee (7):	Fortian (830),	Creature (1540),	RCEnigma (1601),	Wisdom (1650),	davesaz (1658),	pinturicchio (1730),	BrightEyedFish (1731),
BuJaber (5):	DrippingGoofball (609),	profii (1142),	Thor665 (1438),	Varsoon (1452),	CheekyTeeky (1603),
Nero Cain (3):	Gamma Emerald (1231),	DrewVa (1344),	Alonzo (1542),
BrightEyedFish (2):	Alchemist21 (386),	BuJaber (1710),
RCEnigma (1):	Tails (477),
profii (1):	Reasonably Rational (893),
DrippingGoofball (1):	Amzela (1150),
Flavor Leaf (1):	Malakitty (1178),
Thor665 (1):	hebichan (1591),
CheekyTeeky (1):	Nero Cain (1640),
Not voting (3):	Toogeloo,	Flavor Leaf (416),	Chickadee (1442),

(expired on 2018-12-04 02:30:00) remain.

I'm being facetious, what do you think of chickadees play? I don't know how caught up you are.

I’m null on her play. Last page I was on was 58 or 59 and I don’t have time to read ~10 pages of posts I missed yesterday.

Tldr

Wisdom clashes with more slots (Dave, RR, Nero/Majiffy)
Majiffy replaces out (won't comment in this, it's in his iso) Nero Cain takes his spot
Majiffy wagon dies, replaced by Chickadee wagon and Bujaber counterwagon.

In post 1730, pinturicchio wrote:

@ruru, I voted for Chickadee in 1599; I'll vote here too so you see this post, but put the tag from 1599 pretty please

VOTE: Chickadee

I've fixed the easy part now and am looking into the difficult part (including why your vote wasn't counted originally).

Can anyone explain why they're voting for Chikadee?
I don't get it.

In post 1741, Varsoon wrote:Can anyone explain why they're voting for Chikadee?
I don't get it.

Post 1728

So?
There's minimum effort from tons of players and effort=/=alignment.
Seems like low hanging fruit and I wouldn't be surprised if the ease of momentum the wagon has is due to scum hopping on it.

Maybe chickadee is the counterwagon to Bujaber.

I might end up being pretty busy today, but if I get time I'll look at the reasons given for voting Chickadee. It's interesting that my reason is referred to but I'm 5th vote.
We have around 3-4 days to go before time starts getting to be an issue to be certain of gathering enough votes in such a large game.

In post 1739, RCEnigma wrote:Tldr

Wisdom clashes with more slots (Dave, RR, Nero/Majiffy)
Majiffy replaces out (won't comment in this, it's in his iso) Nero Cain takes his spot
Majiffy wagon dies, replaced by Chickadee wagon and Bujaber counterwagon.

Did anyone think Nero obvTowned? If not then I’d say the Jiffy wagon that existed was a result if personality clash.

Let me try to do this as easiest to understand as I can. Chick starts her push on Creature, saying that it's not only easy, but THE easiest read in the game:

In post 1090, Chickadee wrote:VOTE: Creature

Easiest read in the game. I mentioned it a while back and tried to give Creature time to redeem himself. Other people have mentioned it. Yet no one seemingly wants to vote there.

After some players ask why, she says her approach on Creature:

In post 1107, Chickadee wrote: Only people who haven't played a lot with Creature ask this question. As a general rule: is creature posting? If yes, town. If no, scum.

If Creature comes back and ups his game, I'll take back my vote. But this is textbook scum creature.

Now this is were we can start to see some inconsistency in Chick's approach. First of all, if you have played enough time with Creature, you know that his slot will become obvious no matter what. The thing is, if you start pushing Creature, you are not giving the space needed to let that slot solve itself; pushing Creature early game is the worst way to sort Creature.
But let's keep going. So in Chick's books, if Creature is not posting is because he's scum, and she will reevaluate if Creature shows up. She says that explicitly:

In post 1115, Chickadee wrote: Like I said, if Creature comes back and starts posting, I'll take back my vote. But for now, I feel fine with it here.

But I do see what you guys are saying, and I will consider it.

Now, not only she didn't consider anything told about Creature; when Creature finally showed up, this was her first reaction to his appearance:

In post 1311, Chickadee wrote:

CREATURE PLS STOP

In post 1298, profii wrote:I feel like Creature still hasnt done anything

So join me in voting him?

Instead of, again, giving him space to post, she asks him to stop and tells profii to join her on voting him. I know that she wanted him to stop because of the way he was posting, but she already said that she would reconsider her read when he started posting, so it doesn't make sense to ask him to stop and tell another player to vote for him.

In post 1434, Chickadee wrote:

In post 1402, Creature wrote:Also, aren't the reactions a good thing to read on?

No. They're small one liners that don't mean anything to most of us. I'd rather just know what you're thinking and why about different slots. So many one liners were thrown at me over the last 682 pages that I have no clue where you stand on anything.

And this is were the inconsistency peaks. So Chick has only one explicit read in the whole game, and that's Creature being scum because of no posting; after Creature posts, she says that his small one liners "don't mean anything to most of us", when clearly, she stated that any kind of posting coming from Creature would make him obvtown. Creature posting should have been meaningful for Chick to reconsider that slot and maybe start engaging with other players; instead, her only contribution to the whole game, at this point, is...:

In post 1442, Chickadee wrote:UNVOTE: Creature

Ok

I'm not happy with the "content" but he's posting. So it's something.

Nothing. She finally unvoted Creature, but a little too late considering what her opinion on that slot was. She started saying that Creature was the easiest read on the game and labeled him as scum, but doesn't label him that strongly as town after Creature doing the exact thing she said that would give Creature the status of town.

@DGB: You mean this wagon?
A comment like that made me curious enough to spend a couple of minutes now. It's a bit more straightforward to do this one anyway.
Same comment as before, grabbing the vote posts is quick, if the needed info is in another post this method won't get it.
Same comment as before, it isn't analyzing vote flow so it's not VCA in the strict sense of the term. It's finding out if the wagon has a basis or not.

In post 609, DrippingGoofball wrote:

In post 603, BuJaber wrote:@RR and anyone else who thinks they know:

What is your scum range? How would you characterize the difference between your town meta and scum meta?

It occurs to me that for someone like you (someone whose posts are kinda emotionless) the line becomes rather blurry.

But tails here claims you're already out of your scum range.

VOTE: BUjaber

I don't want to guess what this reason was. Care to enlighten us with some additional words?

In post 1142, profii wrote:VOTE: Bujaber
im gonna sheep this because it will probably help me sort BuJ and I can't put my thoughts on Wisdom into coherent sentences yet

Baah

In post 1438, Thor665 wrote:I am horrified that we are 58 pages in, with three three vote wagons competing.
I'mma do what I can to help;

Don't know Pinturiccho, so no sheep energy there.
Wisdom don't get sheepage.
RR...maybe.
Majiffy, sure.
Varsoon looks town.
DGB sure.

VOTE: BuJaber

Now we have a 4 vote wagona three vote wagon and a two vote wagon - excitement!

Wanting to have is Thor to the core. How the wagon was chosen is sketchy.

In post 1452, Varsoon wrote:VOTE: Bujaber
Back on the track, this the anime master.
Hoes on my flick, Cowboy Bebop when I'm blastin' em

Not a clue. If there is a hidden reason within this, someone like me is gonna get it.

In post 1603, CheekyTeeky wrote:Idk what to make of that replace out rn. I'm going to say that slot gets a chance to redeem itself.

VOTE: BuJaber

I wouldn't mind a Thor wagon either if some momentum started happening there. I can't really explain my read as it's mainly just a gut feeling that he's playing strangely and doing the bare minimum.

The chick wagon is understandable.

As far as I can infer from this one, it's an unvote that just happened to pick another big-ish wagon to move to.

On the surface the wagon has a very tenuous basis.

In post 1741, Varsoon wrote:Can anyone explain why they're voting for Chikadee?
I don't get it.

Forgot to address you on my post about Chick