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I would like to suggest that whatever DEB and Boon are saying, you ignore entirely

Sheep Dannflor

glad to see that this game hasn’t changed at all

I am not retracting my vote. It may have been a questionable-motive guilty, but AA’s response is all scum.

Halt the massclaim.

I don't really get how anyone could not TR AA

In post 1731, jjh927 wrote:I don't really get how anyone could not TR AA

I did, but then they did wildly scummy shit.

Scum can fake being Town for a while, but when a TR starts acting really scummy, you don't ignore it.

In post 1732, Pine wrote:

In post 1731, jjh927 wrote:I don't really get how anyone could not TR AA

I did, but then they did wildly scummy shit.

Scum can fake being Town for a while, but when a TR starts acting really scummy, you don't ignore it.

So Pine, are you actually being a WOAT here or just scum?

Arkham Asylum -- VT
Pine -- VT
NerfedBuj-slot -- Dead Thread Viewer
Egix96 -- Resurrect but not scum kills

--- Egix's role sounds strong on paper but really seems like garbage so if that's a big part of town power I'm going to be super disappointed with this design
Pine's VT claim is probably fine
Buj-slot's dead thread viewer seems town so far but we might need a clearer sense of setup

Chickadee -- need claim
Chemist1422 -- need claim
mastina -- need claim
jjh927 -- need claim
Binary Star -- need claim
CheekyTeeky -- need claim

Dead
Flavor Leaf -- VT
Dannflor -- Doctor with claimed save
DEB -- Claimed doctor enabler

Right now I'm thinking probably only one of the people who bought boon's fake guilty is scum at most, it's possible 0 but meh

Turin idk, she's easily readable over multiple days, coming in with a fake guilty from the dead thread is... I don't know how else I'd expect her to react to that and the way she played this is basically the same as to how she played boondom menace

I dislike how much Pine is making everything about personality this game; honestly I think me vs boon yesterday was super obviously TvT and I was kinda baffled on how much steam that picked up compared to the BS push which was much, much better. Then again I don't really know if he goes heavy AtE as scum but his play lately has been jarringly bad, particularly when compared to some of his recent town games where he was fairly analytical and controlled.

BS I guess is an imploded hydra, which frankly is usually not a great sign. I say that though as someone who has solo carried two imploded hydras in the last few months so it definitely can happen. Still I think the push on our slot lately is just bad. It's been hiding behind mech softs basically the entire game and I'm not sure what it still wants to claim after the doc flip. BS lynch should have gone through yesterday and it would have if Boon didn't start being a massive pain in my butt in the last day.

At least one out of BS and Pine is town but until they actually town up and start playing this game in a way that doesn't perpetuate the disastrous gamestate of yesterday I'm going to treat them like scum because my patience with braindead town is totally gone by this point. Poison Ivy has already written this game off as unwinnable for town due to the abysmal play we've been seeing and I'm very close to joining her. If Auro hadn't insisted he wanted to play it out, I definitely would have already bailed on this shitshow.

I think most of the current claims are town. Of the dead, only DEB seems likely scum.

Given the scum know the fakeguilty is a fakeguilty it wouldn't surprise me if they just didn't really engage in it early here since they would know it would be likely to be retracted relatively early. Still they might like to see it develop. Turin's impulse to scumread people defending my slot is actually intuitive, but I disagree since I think jjh is likely town, and Chickadee was concerning me most of day 1 but what she's been saying here has been pretty reasonable and rational and that's making it a lot harder to see her as scum. Not impossible but given how bad this game is it would surprise me.

There is definitely scum inside mastina, chemist, and Cheeky and we should continue to finish mass claim.

mastina I think is of the three the most likely town, but she needs to stop playing like a jester if she wants any of the town left in the game to continue caring about the game. And playing like a half-jester is within her scumrange so her playing up becoming extreme mislynch bait in no way clears her. I just think she has said certain things that strongly spew her town. Unless the scum team is just three goons? Actually her one comment that she thought it was mountainous would maybe make sense if the scum team was just goons. So worth still thinking about but still thinking town.

Chemist I liked for town on page 1 and have kinda pushed my hydra heads from diving but he 's no more town here than he usually is, and unfortunately he never reads as obvtown to me.

Cheeky I have generally liked the reads of, but since EICN this just makes me think she's scum since I strongly mindmelded with her when she was scum in that game.

So we can continue to play around BS refusing to claim; I don't care if we just lynch the slot frankly. But only one of the two people still on us is scum at most and the rest of the town should not pause the massclaim just because boon decided he wanted to justify his mislynch yesterday retroactively.

-Kat

I think Harley is either back or close to being back so there may be scattered unsigned posts by her

-Kat

In post 1734, Arkham Asylum wrote:Chickadee -- need claim

ebwop -- this is VT claim from day 1, forgot about that

In post 1669, Pine wrote:Guilty

Is

Guilty

Is

Guilty

Your reflexive OMGUS is all the surety I require.

I'm not sure if pine is being dumb or scum.

In post 1671, Egix96 wrote:

In post 1656, Turin Turambar wrote:That he was hiding his true role? In fact, as an actual cop, he'd have even more reason to hide his true role. Not everyone who lies automatically equals scum. Cops lie too, because they are more likely to be NKed if they reveal their cards too soon.

I don't really think it's a good idea for TPRs to bluff their role in a flipless game though. Just saying

I'm feeling a DEB/FL/Turin or Pine team based on this silliness after a pretty lame push at pseudo-confirmed town.

In post 1677, Turin Turambar wrote:Actually, I agree with Pine. Why would AA - as town - immediately vote both people who believed the guilty on them?

How much of this game have you read? Is omgus really the best scum tell you could find?

In post 1686, Arkham Asylum wrote:Egix, it's pretty possible DEB was scum and a doctor enabler.
If there's an actual town cop, they should claim with N1/N2 results.

-The Joker

DEB is confirmed scum. Dann couldn't have protected you if he was lynched right?

Is it bad that I still want egix to be scum?

In post 1738, CheekyTeeky wrote:I'm feeling a DEB/FL/Turin or Pine team based on this silliness after a pretty lame push at pseudo-confirmed town.

Isn't Binary Star worse?

I think Egix is town.

-The Joker

In post 1742, Arkham Asylum wrote:

In post 1738, CheekyTeeky wrote:I'm feeling a DEB/FL/Turin or Pine team based on this silliness after a pretty lame push at pseudo-confirmed town.

Isn't Binary Star worse?

I think Egix is town.

-The Joker

I was thinking that but this push on you today seems agenda driven. How are people taking FLs guilty on you seriously? Like Pine especially??

Also how is it my fault I'm mindmelding with you when my reads have been my own? I don't feel like I've sheeped you at all.

In post 1735, Arkham Asylum wrote:I think Harley is either back or close to being back so there may be scattered unsigned posts by her

-Kat

Harley is sick with the flu. :/

In post 1744, CheekyTeeky wrote:Also how is it my fault I'm mindmelding with you when my reads have been my own? I don't feel like I've sheeped you at all.

It's not actually a good reason to scumread you, it's just a reason I think we need more information to solve this game. As much as I want to powerlynch one out of pine and bs since scum know the guilty is fake it is sooightly surprising they would be fast to push it.

We know that deb was not telling the truth about his role. Ideally that makes him scum.

-kat

In post 1495, mastina wrote:Oh I guess since this game is flipless I should claim;
Fun fact:

I thought that this game was 10 vts

, and all of the power came from the dead players. (Which, D1, is why I thought DEB was bullshitting; I thought that everyone else was on the same page as me in knowing that

the game only had VTs

).

Obviously that's because

I am a VT

. I know NOW that I was wrong, but still. There ya go. Not a PR, so better utility in me dead rather than alive.

In post 1497, mastina wrote:(Yes,

I thought that this game was, publicly, mountainous

. Dunno why, but I did.)

When I signed up for this game, I thought it was "mountainous, but the dead have power roles". That everyone would start the game a VT, but that once players were dead, that they could use powers to still influence the game. That the reason the game was flipless wasn't to hide PRs (there wouldn't be any), but was purely to hide alignments.

I drew VT, so nothing challenge that assumption. When DEB claimed, I thought the reason that we lynched him was that everyone secretly knew but wasn't outright saying this, that we knew due to the game starting mountainous that DEB was bullshitting and caught scum in a publicly-known lie. It wasn't until D2 that I realized that I was wrong. (Specifically, not until both Dann and Pine softed knowing DEB was groupscum in tandem with the failed nightkill.)

I thought that the entire reason that I wasn't mislynched yesterday was you recognizing that this viewpoint was a signature mastina derptowntell? Like, after I roleclaimed and explained what I thought, you went from willing to lynch me (albeit begrudgingly), to hard-defending me; why are you now not remembering it?

Errr...somehow I forgot to include the post I was quoting.

*ahem*

In post 1615, Arkham Asylum wrote:Dann is not what I thought he was so now we do go through with mass. Mastina can start given she wants to keep playing bad

Um?

In post 1495, mastina wrote:Oh I guess since this game is flipless I should claim;
Fun fact:

I thought that this game was 10 vts

, and all of the power came from the dead players. (Which, D1, is why I thought DEB was bullshitting; I thought that everyone else was on the same page as me in knowing that

the game only had VTs

).

Obviously that's because

I am a VT

. I know NOW that I was wrong, but still. There ya go. Not a PR, so better utility in me dead rather than alive.

In post 1497, mastina wrote:(Yes,

I thought that this game was, publicly, mountainous

. Dunno why, but I did.)

When I signed up for this game, I thought it was "mountainous, but the dead have power roles". That everyone would start the game a VT, but that once players were dead, that they could use powers to still influence the game. That the reason the game was flipless wasn't to hide PRs (there wouldn't be any), but was purely to hide alignments.

I drew VT, so nothing challenge that assumption. When DEB claimed, I thought the reason that we lynched him was that everyone secretly knew but wasn't outright saying this, that we knew due to the game starting mountainous that DEB was bullshitting and caught scum in a publicly-known lie. It wasn't until D2 that I realized that I was wrong. (Specifically, not until both Dann and Pine softed knowing DEB was groupscum in tandem with the failed nightkill.)

I thought that the entire reason that I wasn't mislynched yesterday was you recognizing that this viewpoint was a signature mastina derptowntell? Like, after I roleclaimed and explained what I thought, you went from willing to lynch me (albeit begrudgingly), to hard-defending me; why are you now not remembering it?

Much better.