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In post 1718, Farkran wrote:

In post 1700, Nachomamma8 wrote: I have no doubt that Hectic will have improved in many aspects when he plays his next scumgame now that he's got a bunch more town games under his belt. However, the scumgame that he's starting from is one where he was afraid to post as scum, which should incrementally improve as he plays multiple scum games but I wouldn't expect the improvement to be this dramatic.

And, embarrassingly found that Hectic posted a recent scum game that I couldn't find for the life of me here, which I'd suggest you'd read through real quick - still problematic as it includes a jester and Hectic just mostly pretended to be a jester, but still think there's a dramatic difference in Hectic actually scumhunting and trying to figure out the game here and instead just pretending to be a jester and fucking around there. Also feel delaying his spare as scum when Suji asked if he wanted to be hammered would be the sign of scum who is confident and in control (and thus felt they'd be able to cash in on the spare down the road) and don't think the profile from this game demonstrates that's who Hectic is as scum based on how he handled his partner getting lynched Day 1 there.

I thought things like picking at the alimida's inconsistency in their townread on him here was also a surprising play from Hectic if he was scum here, as was prodding Suji why they were willing to spare him - from a scum perspective, you're making people feel awkward for wanting to spare you but it makes a ton of a sense from a town perspective, later translates to him also getting a bit paranoid of Chemist for also feeling that he was jumping on townreading him for no reason.

And there are a bunch of small things, but overall it's simply because the level of content that he's produced and the smaller tiny paranoid thoughts that maybe his read here or there is wrong is a big jump from his completed scum games so far. I can go into some of the smaller things if you'd find it productive but I think the delayed spare + talking about why he thought the delayed spare in thread was a mistake is the tipping point from me to "extremely confident town".

Hmmm. That scum game, even if it's once again a different format, is still kinda bad and it's only from ~1 month ago. What you say about him could make sense. However... now that you mention it, why do you have so much interest and access to Hectic meta, and Hectic only, when in post 122 you say this is the first time you have played with him?

In post 138, you say that metadiving is an important part to your scumhunting strategy, yet if i recall correct you have only metaed Hectic for a large part of this game. You didn't even meta Chemist, currently your highest scumread - correct me if i'm mistaken - or Bingle, the slot who has the most inconsistencies with his own meta as i have been pointing out around d2 end. Hectic is a relatively new player, but he already accumulated dozens of games in his history. Why do you focus that much on towncasing him by meta, and why did you have enough time and patience to look for his scumgames when you didn't do the same for anyone else?

In post 1718, Farkran wrote:Why do you have so much interest and access to Hectic meta, and Hectic only, when in post 122 you say this is the first time you have played with him?

In post 1718, Farkran wrote:In post 138, you say that metadiving is an important part to your scumhunting strategy, yet if i recall correct you have only metaed Hectic for a large part of this game. You didn't even meta Chemist, currently your highest scumread - correct me if i'm mistaken - or Bingle, the slot who has the most inconsistencies with his own meta as i have been pointing out around d2 end. Hectic is a relatively new player, but he already accumulated dozens of games in his history. Why do you focus that much on towncasing him by meta, and why did you have enough time and patience to look for his scumgames when you didn't do the same for anyone else?

In post 1719, Farkran wrote:First of all, being on my pred's wagon in d1. As i said, town would have reasons to do that, but it doesn't mean scum wouldn't push for a town mislynch over a town spare when a lynchbait appears. If Hectic is town, because here we're assuming such a scenario, your Replica spare at d1 eod was to focus on promoting the mislynch instead of sparing. When Hectic started scumreading you for it, instead of being suspicious of a very weird push from him, you subconsciously accepted it as if it was correct. You were either complacent or scared, not suspicious. Which is why then you entered d2 with a Hectic spare without any reservations, even if you failed to produce any further scumread or analysis of other people. Looking through your ISO from post 931 onwards (start of d2), you only asked people around without updating any of your solve theories. "Hectic is town, Farkran is scum", period. All the other slots are pretty much null or nulltown. You have no idea what scum is doing from your POV, except for me pushing Hectic/Chara as a double town mislynch, and you don't seem interested in improving that stance.

In post 1725, Amrun wrote:Nacho, I think Bingle could have been spared yesterday if I wasn’t gunning for it so strong. I think thinking I’m partners with Bingle is a little bit silly. I don’t like that thought pattern from you.

In post 1649, Farkran wrote:I honestly don't know how else i could contribute to this game. If you think that quickspare is town, good luck to you all.

HURT: Chara

If it's not Chara, i'm going for Nacho.

I have already cased enough for a solve, the game is still salvageable if i am correct. I am not up to have another week of discussing why sparing again is immensely wrong though, so if you are not yet willing to listen, call me when you are done. I still want to win though, i'll answer when asked to.

If anyone is interested, i think right now we can find town in Bingle > Amrun = Replica > Chemist, and one out of Chara/Nacho. Hectic quickhammering when we were waiting for Bingle to speak when he had just returned from a shortened V/LA is huge townpoints to bingle imo. And i think Psyche was killed to remove an obstacle to a Chara spare.

In post 1647, Replica wrote:That kill makes no sense, I'm highkey mad it wasn't me, and this means another day of Cats (2019) for everybody.

I'm probably looking to spare Bingle today then lynch in Fark/Chemist/Nacho tomorrow.

In post 1582, Hectic wrote:

i couldn't find anything in the Guns and Roses game which resemble his thoughts/reads from 287 to 293.
it's a + for the slot and i think Bingle should be off the FIGHT table for today.
but i wouldn't put so much stock into the meta of a single game, that'd i'd want to SPARE him, pal.

In post 1720, Farkran wrote:2S/2F is the possibly most similar to a full genocide route, yet you still renounce to 2 flip info. We have 5 town-controlled kills in both routes though, because full genocide leads to a 5th lynch in New Home lylo. Of course, assuming you lynch at least one scum in the process, but then it's also true that you can spare scum within the 2S route. Analyzing spare wagon is strictly worse than fight wagons, because you don't get the flip. Even if you are forced to go down the 2S/2F route, it would still be better to lynch first and spare later. A minor mathematical advantage is insignificant compared to flip information, i will never say it enough, just in case we get to play another undertale some day in the future.

In post 1476, Psyche wrote:i've been open about my bingle tr for a while

In post 1734, Nachomamma8 wrote:like the hectic post you just quoted includes him saying that he wouldn't spare bingle

In post 1736, Amrun wrote:

In post 1476, Psyche wrote:i've been open about my bingle tr for a while

Was voting to spare Bingle and very much wanted to.


Chara’s read was nebulous - didn’t want to fight, didn’t want to spare.

Farkran wanted to fight bingle yesterday but today not so much.


My point is not that he was universally townread, but there were two players actively advocating for his sparing and making towncases, so saying there’s no chance of sparing here regardless of what I say is ?????

In post 1739, Amrun wrote:I think it is only because you’re using it as a reason I could be hard bussing my partner from
Day 1. It just doesn’t make sense. I don’t see town motivation for it.

In post 1743, Nachomamma8 wrote:

In post 1739, Amrun wrote:I think it is only because you’re using it as a reason I could be hard bussing my partner from
Day 1. It just doesn’t make sense. I don’t see town motivation for it.

i agree that you-Bingle isn't a particularly likely team. i think that you-Bingle are an unlikely team because you've been at each other's throats all game; I don't think it's because you had the opportunity to spare Bingle yesterday and didn't take it.

In post 1746, Nachomamma8 wrote:i'm frustrated that i'm still thinking about farkran at this point. i'm fine leaving maybe one or two people in the CANNOT READ bin but i didn't expect him to be one of them. i think there's a lot to point to farkran being town but then there's also the fact that the man cannot make a scum case or town case on anyone without assuming their alignment or tying it back to the HECTIC IS SCUM theory.

In post 1745, Amrun wrote:

In post 1743, Nachomamma8 wrote:

In post 1739, Amrun wrote:I think it is only because you’re using it as a reason I could be hard bussing my partner from
Day 1. It just doesn’t make sense. I don’t see town motivation for it.

i agree that you-Bingle isn't a particularly likely team. i think that you-Bingle are an unlikely team because you've been at each other's throats all game; I don't think it's because you had the opportunity to spare Bingle yesterday and didn't take it.

Well I didn’t mean that would be the reason, obviously. But you were saying we could be scum together because it wouldn’t matter if I voted to spare or fight him, he wouldn’t be spared, so my read on him was irrelevant (or at least that’s how I interpreted it).