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I don't think Fuzzy is a beacon of orthodox play, Luca

Not just Fuzzy but whoever his partners are, if he’s scum.

I’ve given many valid points on why Math is scum, but no-one is really interested and seemingly everyone is ok with lynching Fuzzy.

I don’t see how it makes sense in a world where Math is Town and Fuzzy scum.

Competent Mafiosi with a potential to endgame are going to bus Fuzzy all the way to Narnia in this gamestate. Both Churros and Blake would probably do that. FYPOV you should probably not be clearing me because tiger redflips due to the body of evidence suggesting he's not going to play in a way that allows him to participate in a sweep or be the last wolf so it's better to just get cred. They could even be W-W with the mafia showing a preference for disposing of the teammate who seems unable to produce solvy content.

I don't think vote/push on was random or odd.

And I don't think he's sheeped my reads as he hasn't been interacting with me or focusing on my line of reasonings to come to his conclusions.

And I am not too confident that is town, so I don't follow his read there or the read on since his progression feels a bit inconsistent, but I don't know if there's any other major point you've mentioned that leads to your scumread.

I really want to hear your experience with him and how that deviates from what you expect as town from him.

I would self-lynch if was a team, FUCK ME.

Checking in early than expect.

It seems Fuzzy is at L-1, unless he claims something out of this world I don't see why not hammer with so little of the dead line left.

By the way Taly saying "I don't like either lynch" putting Fuzzy on L-1 probably means they aren't partners, so if one flips scum the other one is...probably town. I don't see scum!Taly acting so openly reluctant to vote buddy!Fuzzy and saying hinting she's doing it out of compromise.

That would be great scum play in hindsight because it doesn't look like a bus but I find it unlikely to be in Taly's scum range.

In post 1730, Churros wrote:Checking in early than expect.

It seems Fuzzy is at L-1, unless he claims something out of this world I don't see why not hammer with so little of the dead line left.

By the way Taly saying "I don't like either lynch" putting Fuzzy on L-1 probably means they aren't partners, so if one flips scum the other one is...probably town. I don't see scum!Taly acting so openly reluctant to vote buddy!Fuzzy and saying hinting she's doing it out of compromise.

That would be great scum play in hindsight because it doesn't look like a bus but I find it unlikely to be in Taly's scum range.

HAVE YOU PLAYED WITH ME BEFORE.

THIS IS TOO ACCURATE HELP.

Do you frequently view actions you didn't take as outside of your scumrange Taly?

I’ve only played with Math once before. My read isn’t based on meta, but he’s been nothing like either of his previous Town games in this one.

His Iso’s from those games aren’t very long, so feel free to check them out yourself.

In post 1731, Taly wrote:

In post 1730, Churros wrote:Checking in early than expect.

It seems Fuzzy is at L-1, unless he claims something out of this world I don't see why not hammer with so little of the dead line left.

By the way Taly saying "I don't like either lynch" putting Fuzzy on L-1 probably means they aren't partners, so if one flips scum the other one is...probably town. I don't see scum!Taly acting so openly reluctant to vote buddy!Fuzzy and saying hinting she's doing it out of compromise.

That would be great scum play in hindsight because it doesn't look like a bus but I find it unlikely to be in Taly's scum range.

HAVE YOU PLAYED WITH ME BEFORE.

THIS IS TOO ACCURATE HELP.

Not really, is it weird that I often feel like I have a grasp on players scum range even without seeing them play scum before though?

I feel like I'm accurate enough on those predictions. I can be wrong on my SRs but I find it more rare for me to be wrong on my confident TRs, what already makes the scum-hunting job a lot easier.

That first line can be construed as a scumslip

popsofctown wrote:Do you frequently view actions you didn't take as outside of your scumrange Taly?

Generally, yes. My town-range engulfs my scum-range and goes wider.

has the most experience with me compared to anyone on the site, at least this game.

She was correct in saying that there's more variability in tone and behavior while attaching a townread to that.

I'm a more consistent player as scum than town. It's easier for me to predict - myself - what I would do as scum.

That seems like such a self-deprecating way to view yourself but you're not the first person to say that. I don't tend to feel that way about mafia.

What makes you say so?

It's like you don't believe in yourself that you can do bonkers things when you roll scum. I believe in myself that I could, sky's the limit, etc

Taly, you should think about reading Churros and Blake based on the genuineness and the insightfulness of their insights, and not on whether their ultimate conclusion townlocks you and makes you feel good.

food for thought

I don't feel particularly insightful about you in general

Oh, my scum winrate is higher than my town, not that I keep track anymore.

I've pulled a flawless scum victory and won my second mafia game ever as an SK.

I scare some people as scum.

I piss more off as town, haha.

popsofctown wrote:Taly, you should think about reading Churros and Blake based on the genuineness and the insightfulness of their insights, and not on whether their ultimate conclusion townlocks you and makes you feel good.

food for thought

I don't feel particularly insightful about you in general

Yeah, I'm going to think through that lens more.

By the way I was writing this before the previews, so...:

My SR on Fuzzy has only intensified with each posts he writes so I decided to do a quick check on Taly's ISO to try reconsidering the slot in D2, but this is the kind of stuff I come across:

In post 1647, Taly wrote:You made about 2-3 posts about voicing a scumread on this slot and most of the reasoning is associative to the vote you're placing now.

I guess when your scumbuddy Fuzzy is gone, your push on me will be far more justified?

Which makes sense, because if you're so confident about this slot on D1, you know how other people will flip too.

But wait, if Fuzzy's town, I'm still your next lynch target? I'm the only person who's reached out to you, and you're disregarding any attempt while trying to wagon me.

Taly sweetie everyone I see you pushing or suspecting I'm kinda confident that it's town

you're defending almost every slot I suspect or don't actively town read

You're acting like it's unreasonable for me to SR you/Fuzzy/Math when I don't even need reasons in hindsight, it's just plain PoE. I either town read or haven't had negative pings from other slots except recently Blake and in-development read on Lucas (whose I feel like has one of the biggest scum ranges in this PL). I'm assuming we've a 3-man team and my TRs are correct or mostly (because like I said, I have a ok record on town reads), therefore most of you are mathematically scum from my POV.

Also, I'm highlighting this:

I guess when your scumbuddy Fuzzy is gone, your push on me will be far more justified?

Why your natural reaction here is:

1) Instantly assuming I'm partners with Fuzzy when I've like, been one of the pioneers in pushing the slot
2) Hard assuming Fuzzy will flip scum when you said you don't like the lynch

This doesn't make any sense. I'm back to Fuzzy/Taly bye.

I should not overthink/reconsider things, most of the time it doesn't end well.

ugh, just save me for D2 man.

That post is like...full of bad-faith shading with assumptions I don't see logical reason for town!Taly to make.

It feels like all those assumptions were made just to make easier on herself to push me. It doesn't look consistent with how she would view things right now as town/according to her own posts.

In post 1735, popsofctown wrote:That first line can be construed as a scumslip

can be

Pops...don't break my heart like that.

hopefully I bite an NK soon to save me from this shit, lord knows scum should.

Calling other users is sweetie is condescending and obnoxious, cut that crap out

I could be wrong on my TRs sure but I don't think it's the case right now.

I'm saying this to reassure myself more than I'm saying to any of you by the way.

1742 is a good case, I noticed the discrepancy before and thought of it as a wording gotcha but Churros is pointing out how the post requires a mens rea of a certain read progression for it to be posted with any wording