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Post Post #175 (ISO) » Sat Nov 28, 2009 9:59 pm

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PaltryExcuse wrote:Otherwise, I'd still like to know why you'd like SensFan for HoH possibly.
Sens is pushing the PJ plan... for those who are too lazy to do any real research
PJ wrote:1.) The King must wait for at least one person to reach a majority before any executions are ordered (so that there is sufficient discussion). When a player does reach a majority, they are placed on the List of Execution.

2.) If any player, at any time, reaches over a majority of votes, they can be placed on the List of Execution. This will give the King the "wiggle room" some people seem to want, while also leaving the options restricted enough that there shouldn't be anything crazy going on. There is no number as to how many people may be on the List of Execution at any time.

3.) Players who have direct (most likely investigative) evidence against them may be placed automatically on the List of Execution, regardless of whether or not they have received over a majority of votes.


4.) Players may be removed from the List of Execution (by the King) if they have direct (most likely investigative or Masonry) evidence to absolve them, or perhaps even a "Hero" claim and the King believes it (or the King believes said person to be the Hero even without a claim).


5.) If the King feels a particular person is scummy (but has no investigative evidence against them [or does have investigative evidence but does not wish to reveal such information], and that person is, for whatever reason, not on the List of Execution) the King may formally announce to the town that s/he is moving that person to The List of Execution, and allow the town to have further discussion (as such a move should obviously create). This allows for the King to have greater autonomy, but makes certain that King will not just randomly execute people without at least some open discussion from the town.
There are dual nominations so I would say the "nomination threshhold" should be closer to 2/3 then majority

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That also said, at this moment I prefer a Sly/kmd HoH as I know they will put up at least one of my top suspects, and they come off as pro-town early on.

Nominate kmd


I agree with the saber nom he is looking at, and apart from that he appears to be more open to looking at a wider range of suspects then Sly. Sens I like the plan push, but I dont know where he is looking for suspects.
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Post Post #176 (ISO) » Sat Nov 28, 2009 10:07 pm

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LlamaFluff wrote: ... appears to be more open to looking at a wider range of suspects then Sly.
I may be open to more than you think.
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Grandi wrote: 4) If i were HoH, i would pick ___ and ___
good scum hunting
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analysis of the suggestions of others that I felt were the most pro-town
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At this point, if it were only up to what I have gathered so far
, I would put up saberwolf and SensFan.
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Post Post #177 (ISO) » Sun Nov 29, 2009 12:18 am

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@Llamafluff

No self nom for HoH as farside said in one of her posts that there were to be no self nominations.

My noms for evictions?

Saber for reasons I have already posted.

At the moment my second vote would have to be animorpherv1 for the confusing numbers logic he used.

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I nominated Sens for HoH. I had to go back for a rescan of posts to see why I thought he would be good. I couldn't find any and rethought my somewhat clumsy logic. As I explained, quite openly in that post.

I can't go any further at the moment as there are players that haven't posted for days. I understand it's a holiday weekend (kind of) in the US. Further to this, as for my "not very active" accusation, I am only really ale to get here once per day and don't forget that I am on GMT (being in the UK) so am not normally around when all the activity kicks off.
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Post Post #178 (ISO) » Sun Nov 29, 2009 5:26 am

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HOH votes:


Zwet (1) Kmd4390
Sensfan (3) animorpherv, Crazy, Grandi
Sironigous (1) Zwet
SlySly (3) PaltryExcuse, Snow_Bunny, saberwolf
Paltry (1) DisCode
Discode (1) MrFinch
Kmd (1) Llamafluff

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Post Post #179 (ISO) » Sun Nov 29, 2009 9:30 am

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so... uh... we have 2 days to decide HoH.

With farside's votecount it seems like it's either Sensfan or SlySly...

um...

correct me if I'm wrong, but I only see 2 SensFan posts in this game... one being his confirm post and the other saying he'd use the PJ system.

Reading Llamafluff's description it seems like that system is exactly like the suspect is publicly chosen... with the exception of the extra king power to move someone to that list with no apparent reason.


I'm inclined to nominate Slysly now, who definitely has more posts...
I think he has more content too.

so...

Nominate SlySly
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Post Post #180 (ISO) » Sun Nov 29, 2009 9:46 am

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The system looks good to me.
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Post Post #181 (ISO) » Sun Nov 29, 2009 10:31 am

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Okay, I read up.

I like Kmd as HoH. Sly seems to be trying a little hard at certain points, and Sensfan hasn't posted in a while.

Nominate: Kmd4390


Saberwolf to me seems like a somewhat emotional townie. Nominating him seems like an easy way out for scum. And I don't blame him for not wanting to be HoH; I don't think I'd want to be a Day 1 HoH either.

If I was HoH, I'd nominate Snowbunny for sure. Her posts sound like she's just trying to please everyone and not ruffle anything. Her criticisms against saber happen to say nothing about his alignment.

Not sure about my other nominee at this point; probably a lurker (Yes, I know I haven't posted much, either).
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Post Post #182 (ISO) » Sun Nov 29, 2009 11:17 am

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Crazy wrote:Sly seems to be trying a little hard at certain points
Is this bad? >.<
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Post Post #183 (ISO) » Sun Nov 29, 2009 12:45 pm

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Sironigous wrote:
Crazy wrote:Sly seems to be trying a little hard at certain points
Is this bad? >.<
I mean stuff like picking apart the meaning of "semi-random" and the meaning of "faction." I could be wrong, but to me stuff like that seems unnatural, and yes, that is bad.
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Post Post #184 (ISO) » Sun Nov 29, 2009 12:51 pm

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Crazy wrote:
Sironigous wrote:
Crazy wrote:Sly seems to be trying a little hard at certain points
Is this bad? >.<
I mean stuff like picking apart the meaning of "semi-random" and the meaning of "faction." I could be wrong, but to me stuff like that seems unnatural, and yes, that is bad.
I have to disagree a little bit. I appreciate the defense Crazy, especially as you don't know my true alignment, but I feel Sly did do the right move. Everyone else is just jumping on my BW, assuming that just because they say my name, they get to escape suspicion and that's that. Sly at least tried to grill me to at least validate any reason for voting me.
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Post Post #185 (ISO) » Sun Nov 29, 2009 12:53 pm

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Yeah, that's silly...
Slysly wrote:If he is a floater and all 3 voting him are floaters, that would make them the same faction, would it not? The way you have stated it makes it sound like you know he is scum and are now jumping on the bandwagon to try and get your scum buddy in power.
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SlySly wrote:Well, I have only played in one game with zwet, and he actually played pretty good. I don't know what everyone else's meta is on him, but that is beside the point. With what you have said here, it sounds as though there was reason behind your vote on him which would make it not random, in my opinion. I can see that you may have been placing an element of humor in your vote so I will chalk it up as a joke vote based on personal meta, which some people consider random. To me, that still does not excuse the possibility of motive you raised in your "seemingly random" statement.
that too...

I think I'm fine with everything else he has said though.

Crazy wrote:I mean stuff like picking apart the meaning of "semi-random" and the meaning of "faction." I could be wrong, but to me stuff like that seems unnatural, and yes, that is bad.
Mm. I can see the angle you're coming from, but I really do think he's trying.

I guess that's why he got my vote to be the first HoH! :D
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Post Post #186 (ISO) » Sun Nov 29, 2009 3:03 pm

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Sironigous wrote:Mm. I can see the angle you're coming from, but I really do think he's trying.

I guess that's why he got my vote to be the first HoH! :D
Meh, I think you should be voting for people who have some support and have at least somewhat similar suspicions as you, hence my vote for kmd over sly. I think he has a better shot at nomming people I want lynched then sly does.
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Post Post #187 (ISO) » Sun Nov 29, 2009 3:53 pm

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LlamaFluff wrote:
Sironigous wrote:Mm. I can see the angle you're coming from, but I really do think he's trying.

I guess that's why he got my vote to be the first HoH! :D
Meh, I think you should be voting for people who have some support and have at least somewhat similar suspicions as you, hence my vote for kmd over sly. I think he has a better shot at nomming people I want lynched then sly does.
Hey, that's an interesting way to look at HoH...

Since you can't nominate yourself, you nominate someone who'll do something that you want done instead...
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Post Post #188 (ISO) » Sun Nov 29, 2009 4:21 pm

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Sironigous wrote:
LlamaFluff wrote:
Sironigous wrote:Mm. I can see the angle you're coming from, but I really do think he's trying.

I guess that's why he got my vote to be the first HoH! :D
Meh, I think you should be voting for people who have some support and have at least somewhat similar suspicions as you, hence my vote for kmd over sly. I think he has a better shot at nomming people I want lynched then sly does.
Hey, that's an interesting way to look at HoH...

Since you can't nominate yourself, you nominate someone who'll do something that you want done instead...
SURE, CAUSE THAT WILL NEVER HAPPEN AMONG SCUMBUDDIES :roll:

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Post Post #189 (ISO) » Sun Nov 29, 2009 4:27 pm

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I dig PJ's plan.

And as I said before, I'd nominate saber, and now probably sironigous. I don't like number talk. It distracts.
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Post Post #190 (ISO) » Sun Nov 29, 2009 4:43 pm

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^^ I scratched that. :D

I messed up trying to figure out what Zwet said.
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Post Post #191 (ISO) » Sun Nov 29, 2009 4:44 pm

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When I said what Zwet said, I meant this...
zwet wrote:There's a high probability that if the person we end up evicting today is scum, that the HoH is also scum.
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Post Post #192 (ISO) » Sun Nov 29, 2009 6:19 pm

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saberwolf wrote:
Sironigous wrote:
LlamaFluff wrote:
Sironigous wrote:Mm. I can see the angle you're coming from, but I really do think he's trying.

I guess that's why he got my vote to be the first HoH! :D
Meh, I think you should be voting for people who have some support and have at least somewhat similar suspicions as you, hence my vote for kmd over sly. I think he has a better shot at nomming people I want lynched then sly does.
Hey, that's an interesting way to look at HoH...

Since you can't nominate yourself, you nominate someone who'll do something that you want done instead...
SURE, CAUSE THAT WILL NEVER HAPPEN AMONG SCUMBUDDIES :roll:

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Post Post #193 (ISO) » Sun Nov 29, 2009 6:53 pm

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LlamaFluff wrote: I think you should be voting for people who have some support and have at least somewhat similar suspicions as you, hence my vote for kmd over sly. I think he has a better shot at nomming people I want lynched then sly does.
LlamaFluff wrote: If im not HoH, I would like the HoH to be putting up at least one if not both of my top choices.
kmd's stated choices are saber and paltry. kmd wants to put zwet, one of your top suspects, in as HoH, for a reason that I am unable to spot and he seems to be unwilling to point out. zwet has seemed pretty useless in this game to me.

Saber is still at the top of my list to put on the block. My second spot is wide open as there are so many acting in what seems to me to be an anti-town fashion. Every time I haven't gotten even remotely close to nominating someone, they have done something that seemed scummy or anti-town to me, more or less eliminating them from my list of possible HoH candidates.

Lurking, question ignoring, reasonless voting, contradiction, ridiculous spouting and bandwagon hopping are not actions that build my trust and move me to desire putting the players that are committing these acts in a position of any power.
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Post Post #194 (ISO) » Sun Nov 29, 2009 6:54 pm

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Post Post #195 (ISO) » Sun Nov 29, 2009 7:03 pm

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Time is (sort of) of the essence with deadline on Wednesday. First, I dont think it would be a bad thing to have competing HoH wagons. Secondly, I would rather nom someone who is considering a top pick and neutral then someone considering a top pick and unknown. Given that we basically cut the pool down to two in a couple days, having a good idea of who those two will be is kinda essential to me.

Even if kmd isnt looking at my 1-2 for his picks, I at least it looks like there wouldnt be any picks from him that have me voting a player given that I dont want someone lynched as opposed to which suspect.
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Post Post #196 (ISO) » Sun Nov 29, 2009 7:21 pm

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LlamaFluff wrote: Time is (sort of) of the essence with deadline on Wednesday.
Yep, the low level of contribution from several players in this game is amazing me. Well, considering that some of them are probably scum trying to stay under the radar, maybe it is not so amazing.
LlamaFluff wrote: First, I dont think it would be a bad thing to have competing HoH wagons.
I agree. Wagons based on reason are better than the opposite. This will make for good analysis for later in the game. Scum obviously wouldn't feel so moved to state a valid reason for their support of a wagon if the wagon was putting one of their scum buddies in power.
LlamaFluff wrote: Secondly, I would rather nom someone who is considering a top pick and neutral then someone considering a top pick and unknown. Given that we basically cut the pool down to two in a couple days, having a good idea of who those two will be is kinda essential to me.
If my understanding is correct, after appointed, the HoH will have 7 days to name his picks. Then there will be a 7 day deadline to veto/evict/coup de'tat the nominees.

According to his post, kmd's choices are not set in stone either. If you are giving him your support mainly to have opposing HoH wagons, that makes a some sense. If that is not the reason, there is an element of contradiction in your support.
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Post Post #197 (ISO) » Sun Nov 29, 2009 7:26 pm

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SlySly wrote:
LlamaFluff wrote: Secondly, I would rather nom someone who is considering a top pick and neutral then someone considering a top pick and unknown. Given that we basically cut the pool down to two in a couple days, having a good idea of who those two will be is kinda essential to me.
If my understanding is correct, after appointed, the HoH will have 7 days to name his picks. Then there will be a 7 day deadline to veto/evict/coup de'tat the nominees.
Ah... closer rule read would of been better. I thought it was 7 days, HoH and noms, then voting.
According to his post, kmd's choices are not set in stone either. If you are giving him your support mainly to have opposing HoH wagons, that makes a some sense. If that is not the reason, there is an element of contradiction in your support.
Part dual wagons, part his secondaries seems better then your secondaries.

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Post Post #198 (ISO) » Sun Nov 29, 2009 7:40 pm

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Llama wrote:Part dual wagons, part his secondaries seems better then your secondaries.
Since you used the word secondary...

aha! correct me if I'm wrong... for clarification...

This means everyone's primary choice is saber?
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Post Post #199 (ISO) » Sun Nov 29, 2009 7:40 pm

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If scum are lurking, then it means that they are satisfied with either:

1. who is going to be HoH [suggests scum]

2. the know that the two being put up arent of their faction, which would be worrisome.
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