Mini 168 - Item Mafia Game Over

[LordKrishna]

Things do not look good, Kleimar. I asked you to explain, or I would vote for you. Here is your explanation, and what I think of it:

Well, first of all I have no idea what the ammo will do.

The rest of us all seem to have a good idea...

I do not intent to use it right away, but might use it once some scum are uncovered.

If we find any scum, why wouldn't we lynch them?

If I where [sic] mafia I would probably already have a way of killing scum right away, or at least I would buy my ammo on the black market.

As I said, the doctor could have protected the person you targeted, and you might have run out of ammo, as SapphireVerde mentioned.

Based on the lack of any valid reasons on your part, I will

VOTE: Kleimar

.

-K

[Crola]

Vote Count

4 Kleimar

(Locus, Sapphire, Strykker, LordKrishna)

Not Voting

(Sycko, Warp, Kleimar, Coolbot, Assasin, Iammars, and of course armlx since he's not here)

6 to lynch

Also, a NEW UPDATE, yeah, more supply and demand.

[Crola]

Oh, another NEW UPDATE I forgot about.
Also, I've noticed that most of you bold what you want to buy, this is very helpful, and I'd appreciate it if everyone did this, it's not required, but it's helpful.

[sycko999]

I would like a

gun

(I have room right?), because I don't trust any of you.

1) You can't possess two of the same item if it's cost is 8 coins or more.

So, I guess that makes me a vig now right? Also, how many votes to lynch? As soon as I get a vote count I'll see if I should vote Kle.

- Pug

[Crola]

Sycko, look up about two posts.

[sycko999]

Nice edit...Well I don't want to vote yet. Kle, have anything to say for yourself?

- Pug

[kleimar]

Yes of course I have something to say. Being two votes away from a lynch isn't exactly the right time to stay silent.

First of all, since I cannot convince you all of my good intensions, and you do not trust me with some ammo I will sell

ammo

. Since I do no longer have any ammo or gun I may as well claim their effect right away. It can indeed be used to load a gun, giving it three shots. What the gun does again I do not know, but I can guess.

And yes if we can find scum we can lynch them too but in most games the vigilance is a very usefull character and it can certainly win the day in favour of the town.

[Crola]

Again, I prefer you sell things to me by PM as stated in the rules.
Also, another NEW UPDATE.
And Sycko, even with the edit, it had been there 16 minutes before you posted, so just read before you say I'm wrong.

[Iammars]

I am just telling everybody that when I get home today, I will give a post of claimed items.
Coolbot: I have information about you that I can use to help you in case you ever need to come out and claim, I could then verify you.

[CoolBot]

Well, I prefer to wait to answer those particular questions until when and if I need to claim. There's no need to let the mafia to get any info about my role.

[LordKrishna]

All right, so this looks weird to me, again. Immediately after many of us note that kleimar's buying of ammo looks scummy (and a few of us put votes on him),

knowing full well

how the town reacted to kleimar's ammo purchase, sycko999 goes and purchases a gun!

Sycko, you've got a vote coming to you, which you should surely have known would happen, given the immediately preceding actions. What's your game?

UNVOTE: kleimar. VOTE: sycko999

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-K

[sycko999]

1) You can't possess two of the same item if it's cost is 8 coins or more.

The gun is(was) 13 coins, therefore I can't be mafia. Also I have craploads of extra coins so I figured why not? Krishna, is there any reason the town shouldn't have a vig? If anyone has a problem with me being a vig I'll sell the gun. Buying the ammo looks scummyer than the gun because he could already have a gun, but blew all his money on the lotto and doesn't have enough for black market ammo, I had enough coins for a black market gun but I didn't feel like wasting them, and I would look less scummy buying the gun in front of you all. If I was mafia why would I be that stupid? Mars and CoolBot posted and did they object to my gun? No, because they thought it was a good idea for the town to have a vig, or they didn't see it. but I'm leaning towards the good idea to have a vig.

- Pug

[Assasin]

I'm leaning toward having sycko as a Vig but, I don't know if this would count toward the limit of 1 item above 8 coins, but maybe each member of the mafia can hold three items and they only started with one gun so the other members want one. This could be possible but like I said, I'm leaning toward having Sycko as a vig.

[StrykkerVerde]

I don't see any problem with Sycko being a vig, however I'd rather we wait until later on when we can confirm someone to be innocent. Once that's done the town can essentially have 2 lynchings.

Let me explain more clearly. Once we confirm someone innocent (and this won't work until we definetly do) we designate that person to purchase a gun and be our vig. We assign 2 people in town to protect that person during the night just in case one of them is scum. As a town we decide who the vig should target. Thereby we get two lynches.

Now this does pose the problem of the person we've decided to target simply protecting themselves with a first aid kit. However if they do that we still get our desired result becuase they don't get to go out and kill anyone that night anyway.

Let me know how you guys feel about this plan. The hard part is going to be finding somebody we know is innocent. Which would require someone to role claim. Since I don't think that's a good idea at this point we may have to put it off until later in the game. But its still something to think about.

[Iammars]

No problem about protecting themselves w/ the First-Aid Kit. The Hammer will take care of that.
Oh, and Coolbot, np, but if you need to be verified, just answer, and I'll be there.

[sycko999]

Sorry for taking the gun into my hands, but I'm paranoid that you're all out to get me, and I feel that I have encounterd enough close calls in this game, so I'll just be an idiot and use a gun to maintain peace. How ironic. Mars, who has what? You said you would make a list.

- Pug

[warpdragon]

I think sycko is acting scummy, but I believe him because he bought a gun so therefore didnt have one before. I also know how he has all of the extra cash.

[CoolBot]

Strykker, that's a terrible idea. The problem with designating someone a vig is the mafia will know who it is, and will takes steps to neutralize it. Generally, it's better to let people make their own decisions.

Incindently, kleimer didn't sell his ammo unless he also PMed Crola, according to the rules. There's a chance he wanted us to think he was selling it while keeping the ammo.

[LordKrishna]

I believe him [sycko999] because he bought a gun so therefore didnt have one before.

Do you know more than we do about the gun? How do we know any of the following assumptions you have made are true:
1) That Mafia start with an item to kill (perhaps THAT's why there was no kill last night, b/c they had no gun?!)
2) That the gun isn't single-use (though this is a bit of a stretch, given that we know that there's Ammo available)
3) MORE IMPORTANT: That ALL members of the Mafia start with a gun.
Someone brought this last point up earlier, but it wasn't as clear as now. What if the Mafia only starts with one gun between them, then has to buy more? I think what we CAN assume that there is more than 1 member of the Mafia in this game. This would lead me to conclude that multiple Mafia members = multiple killing opportunities, because everybody gets to use a gun. In this case, it would have been unfair to start them off with multiple guns, so perhaps they started without, or with one between them, or something.

My point is that we don't have a lot to go on, where the Mafia is concerned... this game's pretty strange already, what with the Items flying around.... <GRIN>

I also know how he has all of the extra cash.

Do tell...

I'd be interested in extra cash, having blown too much on the bloody lottery (though not as much as Iammars, apparently!!). I seethe with jealousy at the 'sight' of StrykkerVerde...

I want to find out what the bongos do, but perhaps tomorrow's items are *even more exciting*! <excited>

-K

[StrykkerVerde]

I'm a little confused about how the lottery works. I myself bought 5 tickets, and Iammars said that he had 9 tickets, This accounts for 14 dollars going into the pot at least. When I recieved the money it was only 17 coins. This includes my allowance. if we each get 5 coins per day that means i only got 12 coins from the lottery. Which means that I either got shortchanged, or the lottery isnt as great as we all thought.

Coolbot, The point of the plan is making sure that the person we target cannot take actions to prevent being killed, the hammer is an itemblocker tool I believe.

sycko999, right now I am convinced you are scum.

Unvote, Vote: Sycko999

Having a gun won't help you maintain peace. If we lynch you then all that is for nothing right. You can't use your gun during the day and last time I checked nobody was dead yet today.
It looks like you tryed to avoid us harrassing you by buying the gun under peoples noses while Kleimar still had us at his throat and hoped that nobody would mention it.

Defend yourself or die.

[LordKrishna]

Incindently [sic], kleimer didn't sell his ammo unless he also PMed Crola, according to the rules. There's a chance he wanted us to think he was selling it while keeping the ammo.

I'm not quite sure you're right about this, CoolBot. I think Crola's not made a rule to this effect, he is just telling people that they

should

be PMing him instead of selling openly.

I shall quote his message above:

Again, I prefer you sell things to me by PM as stated in the rules.

He doesn't explicitly state that we must do this. Now, I am by no means advocating that anyone do anything contrary to the Mod's wishes -- I'm simply stating that to do so does not mean that he would ignore you, or say, mod-kill you.

Of course, not being Crola, I can't really speak for him, but that's how I read his statement.

That said, if you want to sell, for GOD'S SAKE, follow Crola's preference and sell through PM! Why antagonize your Mod?!?

-K

[kleimar]

The gun is(was) 13 coins, therefore I can't be mafia.

Care to explain what information you have about the mafia's financial position?
Sycko, you also claim to have enough money for a black market gun, which is an aweful lot. It is possible but it not very likely and I do not have much reason to believe you are that rich.

Sorry for taking the gun into my hands, but I'm paranoid that you're all out to get me, and I feel that I have encounterd enough close calls in this game, so I'll just be an idiot and use a gun to maintain peace. How ironic. Mars, who has what? You said you would make a list.

This is a really bad reason. If we where all out to get you, you would have been lynched by now. And a gun is not going to protect you from either mafia or town. In fact it makes you more of a target since they can get their hands on another gun by killing you. And you cannot maintain peace in a mafia game. Peace can only be found at the end or in the grave.

In the end I do not trust Sycko hence

vote sycko

[sycko999]

If you buy a candle then you get craploads of coins. Warpy knows(He said he did). Let me point one thing out, there are usually three mafia in a mini game, but why is there one gun then? The gun has one bullet, and I assume the mafia start with a gun and can hold extra ammo, but I doubt they started without guns, becasue then they only have one shot, and how far would a game with a one shot mafia get? Pretty much all I've been getting from you people are "Sycko bought a gun, then he must be scum." If you would just thing then you would realize the scum would start with guns, so that way they don't need money to kill, they just can. Kle is scum, he buys ammo right, because last night he tried to kill but wasted his only bullet, but he also wasted money on the lotto or somthing, so then he needed ammo but didn't have enough coins. Also, you realize I flushed out scum here, I believe Krishina is scum too, and Stryker is just a concerned townie. You people are no fun, I am a priest, I have no action at all. My starting item is the box, and I don't know what it does the pm was very vauge. So if you lynch me then you'll have nobody to help you reach salvation. Another thing, you all keep asking why I bought the gun.

is there any reason the town shouldn't have a vig?

I bought the gun because I have no night action, and I wanted one.

- Pug

[Crola]

Vote Count

2 Kleimar

(Locus, Sapphire)

3 Sycko

(LordKrish, Stykker, Kleimar)

Not Voting

(Sycko, Warp, Coolbot, Assasin, Iammars, and of course armlx since he's not here)

6 to lynch

Also, to reasure you, Strykker, and everone else, last night, the lotto ran smoothly, and the winner did receive the amount of coins in the jackpot, even though it may not make sense to some of you.

[sycko999]

Care to explain what information you have about the mafia's financial position?

Do I hve to say it again?

1) You can't possess two of the same item if it's cost is 8 coins or more.

- Pug