Mini 188: Texas Holdem Mafia - GAME OVER!

[Thok]

Iammars didn't protect anybody last night. I assume you mean it's impossible to know who Iammars hid with.

I am also on limited access, although I should post at least once a day until the 13th.

Bamboomancer's death means that my "small blind, big blind, dealer" theory is wrong. Also, Iammars death shows that the "low hand equals scum" theory is wrong. The "hand name=role" theory seems to be valid, although I'm not sure how Ajax=doctor.

It looks like we have either a vig or an SK (and if we have an SK, a roleblocker or doc got lucky night 1). I can imagine a scenario with both a vig and an SK in the game. That at least means we have a chance as long as the vig/SK hits scum (and the all-in helps town also).

We might as well start by looking at the lurkers, so

FOS Quagmire and Dranko

[Quagmire]

I know I lurked early in the game, but I really didn't have that much to say.

Do you all want me to claim, or should I hold off for now?

[ruff]

[EmpTyger]

Can anyone give a reason why we shouldn’t claim this out?

[rajrhcpfreak]

[Quagmire]

If the town barks on an aggreement, then I'll claim.

[Dranko20]

okay guys, im gonna fess up, i'm a vig and I killed rajrhcpfreak.

I think that the best way to do this mass claim is for people to claim their POWERS, and then the power roles claim hands first, then the townies.

Powerroles are more likely to be made up by the mafia so if we force the power roles to claim first, and someone else has the hand, then we caught scum. Otherwise, we just..

Go from there?

I'm willing to claim my hand also, just not yet, but yeah, i vigkilled rajrchpfreak, because when I read over all the posts, he just stuck out as scummy to me.

He posted somewhat to keep his chip count up, suggested someone going all-in agaisnt another, and etc. If you read his posts, you'd think he's scum to.

Sorry everyone.

[Aelyn]

I disagree, Raj. I feel we should all claim abilities, then as a town we should decide what order to out the hands in. Thesp, Thok, MOS: Your thoughts on the mass role-claim followed by mass name-claim?

[Aelyn]

EDIT: Obviously I was talking to Dranko, not Raj, there.

[Dranko20]

Well, I think it's harder for the mafia to claim in the way i presented. Because obviously some hands would be more scummy then others. I can see 5/4 Jesse James be mafia, or maybe even 10/2 doyle brunson, SK. See? It'll be harder for mafia to claim this way.

[Thok]

I'm really skeptical of a role claim. The major reason is that town may desperately need to protect the SK from an all-in, so he can hunt scum. (Although if Dranko actually is a vig, we might even be able to survive that).

I'll go along with a mass role claim if everybody wants to, but I want Aelyn to choose the claiming order. (I find it hard to believe that scum or the SK would volunteer to go all-in on Iammars, so Aelyn's the closest thing we have to a confirmed innocent.)

I'm trying to decide if I want to have Aelyn to cast the last vote on a lynch. On the one hand, I want the chip leader to be pro-town and Aelyn is most likely is pro-town; but on the other hand I don't want to make Aelyn an even bigger target for scum tomorrow night.

[Dranko20]

That's odd Thok. I always thought the person most likely to be pro-town would be YOURSELF. I mean, one should know they are pro-town, right? If they are mafia or SK, they better at least PRETEND to be protown, so in ANY case, the person you can trust most is always yourself. You seem to be cutting Aeyln alot of slack..

If i were scum, I'd volenteer to go all-in, cause if i'm called on it, I die, but if I don't, then I have an EXTREME advantage. Because, just like in poker AND life, if you dont take a big risk, you cannot win or have an advantage, playing it safe isnt always playing it smart. Not saying I think Aeyln is scum, but that doesnt clear him in my head at all.

I thought you were looking very pro-townish Thok, but now i'm less inclinded to believe you.

Also the whole "I'll go along with the mass role claim is everyone wants to" thing was bugging me. I just heard you saying, "I dont want to role claim, but I dont wanna seem scummy and say I dont want to mass role claim, and go against the town".

[Thesp]

I'm rather ambivalent towards a mass claim, truth be told.

I was pretty sold on a Bamboomancer-Iammars-someone else mafia yesterday. I'm a little miffed at Bamboomancer for not claiming

an easily verified role

before going all in. Oh well.

Right now, I'm pretty sold on Dranko being scum. The only reason he's given me to doubt him right now is his opposition to Thok, whom I'd thought was a bit scummy as well. Raj was just about the most confirmed townie I could think of, so I seriously am disbelieving his "he was obviously the most scummy" bit. I'm more inclined to think Dranko was an SK.

I'm surprised to find three dead people, though, as I'd have guessed the doc would have protected our hider. Guess it didn't work, or she protected someone else.

Actually, I lied about being ambivalent towards a claim. Should we not go towards lynching Dranko (which I think is our best call, personally), I'd like to hear a claim out of Quagmire. He's said very, very little this game, and I'd like to hear something from him we can work with.

[Aelyn]

I'm rather ambivalent towards a mass claim, truth be told.

I was pretty sold on a Bamboomancer-Iammars-someone else mafia yesterday. I'm a little miffed at Bamboomancer for not claiming

an easily verified role

before going all in. Oh well.

Right now, I'm pretty sold on Dranko being scum. The only reason he's given me to doubt him right now is his opposition to Thok, whom I'd thought was a bit scummy as well. Raj was just about the most confirmed townie I could think of, so I seriously am disbelieving his "he was obviously the most scummy" bit. I'm more inclined to think Dranko was an SK.

I'm surprised to find three dead people, though, as I'd have guessed the doc would have protected our hider. Guess it didn't work, or she protected someone else.

Actually, I lied about being ambivalent towards a claim. Should we not go towards lynching Dranko (which I think is our best call, personally), I'd like to hear a claim out of Quagmire. He's said very, very little this game, and I'd like to hear something from him we can work with.

Agreed, mostly. To be honest, I was leaning towards Thok as a possible SK, but I was kinda surprised to see him asking for me to state the claiming order.

I'm most suspicious of Dranko, there's no sense denying it. His last post sent a BIG flare up on my scumometer, and I was more than a little suspicious of him before that as well.

I agree on Raj being the least scummy, at least after Iammars - I could only see two possible hands being a double-vote role, namely KK (Penn and Teller) and KQ (Marriage), neither of which are exactly scummy hands. Plus the ability is broken on scum

Regarding three deaths: It seems clear to me that Iammars targetted scum, and thus got killed by his own ability, and Mafia and an SK each killed one of Raj and Kristocker.

I'd like to see a claim from Dranko, and if necessary one from Quailman - although that's not needed until we've decided what to do about Dranko today.

Oh yes, one last question before I sign off for the night: Now that we know that all-inning a townie results in night falling, do we still want to use the all-in mechanic in place of lynching? Instinct tells me yes, but I'm not 100% sure.

[EmpTyger]

I have an investigative ability. I do not want to discuss my results and suspicions until we have finished claiming.

[Quagmire]

I am the K9 (Canine). If I make a dog sound in every post, I have a special ability I will not name so as to help the town.

woof woof.

I didn't do it day one, because I forgot about it in my first post, and found it useless because there has to be one in EVERY ONE of my posts for that day.

So, there you all have mine.

[Aelyn]

OK, I think everyone should claim (both hands and abilities), and in my opinion in the following order:

Dranko gives his role name.
I fully claim.
Quagmire FULLY claims.
Thok fully claims.
Emptyger fully claims.
Thesp fully claims.

Does anyone have any problems with this order? If anyone does, please speak up. Otherwise, let's go.

Oh, and there are good reasons I chose that order. All will become clear after roleclaims have been made.

[EmpTyger]

MoS?

[Thok]

I'm almost happy with that claim order if we choose to claim, but as EmpTyger said shouldn't you include MOS somewhere?

Thesp, not only am I annoyed with Bamboomancer, but I really wish that Iammars didn't choose to use his powers last night. Life would be easier for town if he was the confirmed high stack. But believe me, yesterday I fully expected a Bamboo-Iammars-somebody mafia also.

Dranko, I agree that from my point of view I'm the most likely to be pro-town. But I have extra information that the rest of town can't use (namely my role claim). If Aelyn is scum, he volunteered to go all-in on an innocent person at a time when another innocent was being asked to go all. That's not a bold play for scum, it's suicidal! I'm willing to accept Aelyn as pro-town for now.

[Aelyn]

I'm not doing very well here, am I? MoS was supposed to be between Quagmire and Thok.

[Iammars]

Ugh.

[Dranko20]

I'm just gonna go ahead and claim.

I'm AK, Big Slick.

I already said my power, vig.

[Aelyn]

OK, that's interesting. Especially since I'm Big Slick. I'll decline to explain my night ability just yet, but I am confirmable before the day ends.

Should I go all-in on Dranko, everyone, or should we finish the roleclaiming and then lynch him?

[EmpTyger]

Finish claiming.

[Thesp]

Finish claiming.

Agreed. Quagmire?

[Thok]

I'm not sure continuing the claiming is a good idea (see my comments about possibly needing to protect the SK from all-in, which are even more relevant if Dranko is scum and not a vig).

Looking at the Wiki list, I can imagine several better role names for a vig than Big Slick (for example AA-Bullets/Pocket Rockets or 99-Barbara Feldon, who played Agent 99 from Get Smart). I also have a guess for what Big Slick actually does (and what Canine does for that matter).

As a side note, if Dranko was the SK, scum has already gotten a chance to go all-in on him. So either Dranko isn't the SK or scum don't want to go all-in on him for some reason.

Should we prod Quagmire and MOS, since they are next on the list?