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↑ Deltabacon wrote:Well, after reading again I'd be up for an FF lynch, given that he's quite happy to allow you to pick his vote for him whilst town reading you with very weak reasoning which you have rebutted, and has been obstructive to the production of offsite meta, which whilst it could read as null, reads to me as scum deliberately impeding an investigation on them.

UNVOTE: Orcinus

VOTE: FF

I've already pointed this out, but I didn't like the being obstructive part of this post. It seems like such an easy thing to use as an excuse to place a vote.

↑ buldermar wrote:

↑ fferyllt wrote:

↑ buldermar wrote:

↑ fferyllt wrote:I'm a little uncomfortable with the extent of white-knighting that buldermar has done.

I think I've been pretty accurate with what I've said - at least I know I've tried to. What specifically makes you uncomfortable?

That you're doing it at all. The hyperfocus on me and what I'm posting is distracting from what I'm supposed to be doing, but there's very little else going on in the thread to get my teeth into atm.

I didn't instigate the hyperfocus on you. If anything I attempted to illuminate how it wasn't justified objectively speaking - at least at the time.

No you didn't instigate it. I'm not sure you've done me any favors, though.

You have reads on anybody else besides orcinus and me? Did I miss something?

jesus christ stop posting and let me submit my post

↑ Nero wrote:

vote Syryana

This looks really bad at first glance, but he seemed to joke a lot around later on in posts IIRC, so it may just be that he doesn't really play the "give reasons for what you do" style of this game.

↑ orcinus_theoriginal wrote:Pedit: and these changes specifically = ?
Fery this was at your 159

Slowing down. Less focus on meta and more focus on objective/relative tells. One of my takeways from the town games I've played so far is that for me, meta has to be experienced. The pace of the game and what I would have been thinking at the point when the post got made is completely lost in an ISO wall. I discovered on a cardflip in a game where I was already dead that I let meta obscure something I saw but decided not to focus too much attention on because "they've done that before as town".

↑ orcinus_theoriginal wrote:For the record the second pedit should be at very bottom, formatting error

And hi Buldemar you can stop giving me meta I don't trust it unless I see it myself sorry :S and I don't really have a strong town read on you

Pedit (so many pedits): okay wait pitoli's wagon is shit though.

Pedit: yeah.

I think it's pretty important that I do give you the meta because you'll be able to use it when/if I die.

↑ orcinus_theoriginal wrote:I had pitoli down as newb scum/town before the game even started because of how she signed up for the game

In that case he's my 2nd biggest town read after you.

So what objective/relative tells led you to a 4-post town read on me

Like. That just seems so off to me

And the fact that you haven't replied to bunch of my posts

Pedit: why is pitoli town, scapegoat wagon?

↑ fferyllt wrote:

↑ buldermar wrote:

↑ fferyllt wrote:

↑ buldermar wrote:

↑ fferyllt wrote:I'm a little uncomfortable with the extent of white-knighting that buldermar has done.

I think I've been pretty accurate with what I've said - at least I know I've tried to. What specifically makes you uncomfortable?

That you're doing it at all. The hyperfocus on me and what I'm posting is distracting from what I'm supposed to be doing, but there's very little else going on in the thread to get my teeth into atm.

I didn't instigate the hyperfocus on you. If anything I attempted to illuminate how it wasn't justified objectively speaking - at least at the time.

No you didn't instigate it. I'm not sure you've done me any favors, though.

You have reads on anybody else besides orcinus and me? Did I miss something?

jesus christ stop posting and let me submit my post

I'm not trying to do you favors, I'm trying to make sure that you're not potentially getting mislynched for some stupid reason that I know isn't true.

I've mentioned at least pitoli, Delta and Nero in addition to you and orc. I only feel reasonably certain about orc and pitoli being town, though.

↑ orcinus_theoriginal wrote:Syrana. Since he tried to cover it up with a pretty bullshit reason. Everyone else at least was pretty open that this was a RVS wagon

That being said I don't believe town ff would give away town reads as easily as that.

Last game you were unsure about my alignment all the way until day 2

, going scum, then town, then scum.

Vote is now serious

Re what I bolded, this is exactly what I mean by experienced meta. I now have my impressions of you from that game along with your cardflip. And that's what made me comfortable with an early town read - your paranoia about me, your reaction to my lack of "interesting" were all there in my mind when I wrote my #20 reply. I posted it. I looked at it. I saw that I was accepting you as town in the reply. I made it explicit in my next post.

↑ orcinus_theoriginal wrote:Pedit: why is pitoli town, scapegoat wagon?

If this question is directed at me I'm not sure I understand it.

↑ orcinus_theoriginal wrote:So what objective/relative tells led you to a 4-post town read on me

Like. That just seems so off to me

And the fact that you haven't replied to bunch of my posts

Pedit: why is pitoli town, scapegoat wagon?

You post too much.

I don't like the p-edit thing so I'm not going to be adding replies to more recent posts when I post something.

I'm going back through the thread now (see my previous post). I'll get to what I missed. But if your case is that you think I'm playing this game like I played my first game here I'm going to point and laugh. I'll never play another game like that one here. I very intentionally slammed the door on it the minute the mod announced that scum won.

↑ buldermar wrote:

↑ orcinus_theoriginal wrote:Pedit: why is pitoli town, scapegoat wagon?

If this question is directed at me I'm not sure I understand it.

yeah idk either I think I was trying to ask why you thought pitoli was town. All I said was that the wagon on him was shit, so my reasoning was actually that since the people on the pitoli wagon are more likely to be scum, pitoli thus has a lower chance of being scum. Is that remotely similar to what you were thinking?

Also ff's interaction to the pitoli wagon (casual "oh yeah I can dig that") is inconsistent with her scum hunting. And once more, her lack of scum reads is worrying.

She talks about there not being much to "bite her teeth into". But town-FF would create interactions to get info. She seems removed from this game. And I think the lurker call out was an attempt to remedy that...?

Okay but tbqh scum didn't deserve to win that game at all I STILL BELIEVE

Oh wait you're talking about the game I meta'd. Okay.

NONETHELESS I STILL BELIEVE

what am I even posting I'm sleepy

↑ orcinus_theoriginal wrote:

↑ fferyllt wrote:After the Nightless game and that wagon on KBW?

It crossed my mind.

I feel like there are fundamental differences between a D2 PoE pre-decided quicklynch and this game.

I can deal with keeping FF around a lot but I would just like to make it known that I have her strongly written down as scum right now.

I've been talking about the competing bandwagons on KBW and Fuduzn during day 1. It was shortly after Svenskt subbed in and all the lover-pairs outed. He was on fuduzn's wagon but wanted a competing wagon. I obliged with a vote on KBW. There was already a vote or two on that wagon but it hadn't gone anywhere. You and Klick almost instantaneously switched to the KBW wagon. I freaked, unvoted and then a bunch of other shit happened and we eventually mislynched fuduzn in part because I was paranoid about Klick and you but preferred to lynch the only pair I could see as part of a 4 person scum team including Klick/you IN CASE I was wrong.

Your play in that game, now confirmed as town-play is some meta that I'll trust because I experienced it. Other meta, I'll go looking for, but I'm not going to weigh it nearly as heavily as I have in other games, and I'm not going to leave an active game thread to go looking for something when I'm not sure what I am looking for. It can wait until things are quieter.

someone else vote pitoperson

↑ orcinus_theoriginal wrote:Np

It's 1am and I just read through ff's only other scum game. This isn't my summarize case but I'm more convinced than ever that FF is scum.

-Ff seems to be more passive and just seems to be less engaged. This is reflected in how FF dealt with Nero.

More engaged in the thread itself, answering questions. I wanted some indication of what I was looking for first, but I went ahead and took a look, saw a ton of one-liner low content replies. Coming back to the thread, and catching up I saw that your PL talk wasn't based on your own experience with Nero in a game(s) so I feel up to speed on Nero. He's a mafia shitposter. If he's scum we may be more likely to catch him by catching his scum buddy.

-Why did she form such a strong read on me from literally 4 one line RVS posts--but not anyone else? Why hasn't she an opinion on Buldemar, who I assume she has offsite experience with?

My strong read is a testament to my vast experience of one game playing with you. Expect a lot of pointing and laughing from the other side of your monitor once my alignment is known, however that happens in this game. It won't be scum laughing at you. If I'm wrong and you're scum then I'll expect the same.

Where is her vote, her other reads? If she's such a strong town player and her 4 vote take it to the grave read on me isn't out of the ordinary, it's strange that she doesn't have a vote down.

I don't remember being all that quick with my vote in the last game we played. Pretty sure I told you or Klick that I won't be chivvied into putting down a vote before I feel it. I voted Syryana based on your read because you were the only town player on the right track in the Nightless game, and I though some pressure in that direction would be a good thing. I took the vote off when I saw some non-random content that I approved of from him.

-She's been less confrontational, and have expressed very few (if any?) original ideas

I'll have to take your word for it that I'm less confrontational than I was in the early hours of the Nightless game. I remember feeling pretty cautious in that game due to the nightless format and the 2 mislynch leeway.

-I dislike the syryana vote on page 2. I don't see the pro-town intentions behind it, I don't like how she didn't follow it up

I asked you to consider who would be scum on my wagon if I was town and you gave me an answer. I put my vote there. I followed it up with an unvote based on content.

-The KBW thing still confuses me. Why are you referring to it, since you bought it up in reference to a quicklynch? Day 1 of our game was the furthest thing from a quicklynch, ever.

We came really close to a quicklynch when Svenskt subbed in. The final lynch was mostly my doing and I was dead wrong. My takeaway from that game was that I should have listened to you more than most of the other players. I'm pretty much implementing that takeaway despite your total misread on me. I know the changes to my game are confusing. But, my motivation is still driven by my town win condition. If that doesn't eventually become obvious in my play, then I'm failing at the most basic aspect of mafia, and I'll own that and hope it doesn't lead to a town loss.

-She's calling out lurker for "needing more content". Don't you need more content from a lot of people (pitoli, etc)? Why singling out lurker, and this insinuates that you don't need more content on anyone else (or at least have enough to work with). I've yet to see an influx of reads from you

absolutely I need more content from pitoli. Lurker has one post, a random vote. In the current mix, that's by far the least amount to go on.

And everything previously mentioned

My reading of FF's game really only gave me one thing (well, three, and I'm going to save the other two for later). She's more mellow as scum. And I think I'm seeing that in her posts in this game.

I'm happy to know that my scum game looks mellow. It's not. Every post and every night action I make as scum is carefully crafted with one goal in mind - get a scum player to endgame with town players who are likely to mislynch. It's anything but mellow.

This is just to jot down stuff, ill make a case with specific quotes tomorrow, but this is basically an outline.

ok.

↑ orcinus_theoriginal wrote:

↑ buldermar wrote:

↑ orcinus_theoriginal wrote:Pedit: why is pitoli town, scapegoat wagon?

If this question is directed at me I'm not sure I understand it.

yeah idk either I think I was trying to ask why you thought pitoli was town. All I said was that the wagon on him was shit, so my reasoning was actually that since the people on the pitoli wagon are more likely to be scum, pitoli thus has a lower chance of being scum. Is that remotely similar to what you were thinking?

Also ff's interaction to the pitoli wagon (casual "oh yeah I can dig that") is inconsistent with her scum hunting. And once more, her lack of scum reads is worrying.

She talks about there not being much to "bite her teeth into". But town-FF would create interactions to get info. She seems removed from this game. And I think the lurker call out was an attempt to remedy that...?

Did you read my post 171?

i'm a diabolical genius, unreadable.

↑ Nero wrote:someone else vote pitoperson

You remind me of Majiffy.

↑ orcinus_theoriginal wrote:

↑ buldermar wrote:

↑ orcinus_theoriginal wrote:Pedit: why is pitoli town, scapegoat wagon?

If this question is directed at me I'm not sure I understand it.

yeah idk either I think I was trying to ask why you thought pitoli was town. All I said was that the wagon on him was shit, so my reasoning was actually that since the people on the pitoli wagon are more likely to be scum, pitoli thus has a lower chance of being scum. Is that remotely similar to what you were thinking?

Also ff's interaction to the pitoli wagon (casual "oh yeah I can dig that") is inconsistent with her scum hunting. And once more, her lack of scum reads is worrying.

She talks about there not being much to "bite her teeth into". But town-FF would create interactions to get info. She seems removed from this game. And I think the lurker call out was an attempt to remedy that...?

They have to be around to interact with. Right now, I'm talking to you and buldermar because you're . I think you are doing the same. You're not shaking the trees to get interactions from pitoli or Lurker either.

Nero's here. He's wasting his slot. I'm not going to give him more fuel for useless one-liners. What do you think town should do about him?

↑ buldermar wrote:

↑ orcinus_theoriginal wrote:

↑ buldermar wrote:

↑ orcinus_theoriginal wrote:Pedit: why is pitoli town, scapegoat wagon?

If this question is directed at me I'm not sure I understand it.

yeah idk either I think I was trying to ask why you thought pitoli was town. All I said was that the wagon on him was shit, so my reasoning was actually that since the people on the pitoli wagon are more likely to be scum, pitoli thus has a lower chance of being scum. Is that remotely similar to what you were thinking?

Also ff's interaction to the pitoli wagon (casual "oh yeah I can dig that") is inconsistent with her scum hunting. And once more, her lack of scum reads is worrying.

She talks about there not being much to "bite her teeth into". But town-FF would create interactions to get info. She seems removed from this game. And I think the lurker call out was an attempt to remedy that...?

Did you read my post 171?

I did.

↑ fferyllt wrote:

↑ buldermar wrote:

↑ orcinus_theoriginal wrote:

↑ buldermar wrote:

↑ orcinus_theoriginal wrote:Pedit: why is pitoli town, scapegoat wagon?

If this question is directed at me I'm not sure I understand it.

yeah idk either I think I was trying to ask why you thought pitoli was town. All I said was that the wagon on him was shit, so my reasoning was actually that since the people on the pitoli wagon are more likely to be scum, pitoli thus has a lower chance of being scum. Is that remotely similar to what you were thinking?

Also ff's interaction to the pitoli wagon (casual "oh yeah I can dig that") is inconsistent with her scum hunting. And once more, her lack of scum reads is worrying.

She talks about there not being much to "bite her teeth into". But town-FF would create interactions to get info. She seems removed from this game. And I think the lurker call out was an attempt to remedy that...?

Did you read my post 171?

I did.

I was asking orc specifically because his response to me made it seem like he didn't.

buldermar, I'm kinda feeling like the scum players aren't playing yet. :/

I guess that means that right now I cautiously have you as town.