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In post 173, fferyllt wrote:

2. Battery-Powered Deadlines. Deadlines in this game (outside Apocalypse) are measured via a meter that starts at 100% and counts down each real-time day by a varying amount. The amount is based on true activity. If the meter reaches 0%, the Day immediately ends.

So 4% seems like not very much at all. I wonder if "true activity" means the battery drains faster or slower.

.... Don't care about that. 4% a day is plenty enough. That equates 25days which is a freaking month. Scumhunt.

In post 174, Pjovek wrote:VOTE: Sword of omens

Do something useful.

In post 125, Syryana wrote:

In post 123, Pjovek wrote:I don't know, why don't you tell me what flavor scum is actually looking for? :3

Chocolate Vanilla Swirl Cupcake Maker Pokemon

Pjovek wrote:On one side, we got the fabricated looking townread on MattP
On the other side, we got the "scumslip"

These contradict each other in conclusion, since, assuming Eggplant flips scum, the fabricated townread on Matt would mean Matt being town, while the slip would obviously mean he talked with Matt in the scumQT, making matt scum.

Scum slips by mentioning something from QT
Scum fabricates townread on partner
I don't see the problem

Then why switch wagon? Give me a legit reason why you think Zach wagon is better.

In post 175, enomis wrote:

In post 174, Pjovek wrote:VOTE: Sword of omens

Do something useful.

I am.

In post 146, fferyllt wrote:aaand probtown on Pjo.

Why?

In post 147, Zdenek wrote:I think Zach's points against pjo are legit. I also believe that scum will push anti-town plans, and that's not a meta-thing, just a scummy thing. On the other hand, I'd expect scum-pjo to have pushed it with more of a singular focus, rather than also making a made up reads list at the same time. It's more gambitty things than I'd expect from scum at one time. I should point out that I don't like pjo's overtly "logical" post discrediting the reasons behind the Whimsical Eggplant votes - it's just too incorrect.

Zach's stance on Pjovek is not the problem. The way Zach is pushing that stance is the problem. Will explain shortly.

In post 149, Katsuki wrote:Don't really care to state my thoughts on matt. Not to you at least.

Are you one of those people?

In post 152, implosion wrote:it makes things a little simpler i guess? idk really. Also you should stop spamming :\. Quintupleposts shouldn't be a thing.

You should probably never join a game with buldermar in it.

In post 175, enomis wrote:Then why switch wagon? Give me a legit reason why you think Zach wagon is better.

My reason for being on the Whimsywagon was primarily due to the scumslip. It's fairly obvious at this point that wagon is going precisely nowhere (particularly given Whimsy hasn't been seen since that slip post) and I like the Zach wagon for a couple of reasons. The problem with Zach is not what he's saying against Pjovek's flavor claim; I 100% agree that flavor claim is a terrible idea. However, look how Zach pushes the idea; he links a game where scum got away with pushing mass claim on Day 1 without giving reasons and claims that's sufficient reason to lynch Pjovek (as Pjo has not given reasons either). He makes no attempt to ask Pjo what his reasons are and the game he linked has little to do with the situation at hand; the mechanics are entirely different, pushing flavor claim is different from pushing massclaim, etc. I believe Tierce has already gone over this. In the meantime, Zach has not tried to scumhunt, figure out Pjo's reasoning for pushing flavor claim, has not looked for any suspects other than Pjo. He's being very lazy and his method for pushing his scumread on Pjo frankly sucks. Now, I've never played with Zach before (he was my mod in Micro 134, <3), but when I see someone with a scummy for Best Town Performance doing lazy/bad things like this it calls for some voteage. And I'm shamelessly sheeping Tierce.

Pedit: Hey Pjo, I can guarantee you voting sword is not going to make him talk to you any faster.

In post 177, Syryana wrote:but when I see someone with a scummy for Best Town Performance doing lazy/bad things like this it calls for some voteage. And I'm shamelessly sheeping Tierce.

Oh dear god...

Have you actually read the game that won that award? You probably should.

In post 10, Tammy wrote:VOTE: mattp

You have 5 pages to town tell...go!

In very strong agreement with zdenek. Spamming should be avoided, especially content less spamming as that drains the battery.

did he?

In post 177, Syryana wrote:

In post 146, fferyllt wrote:aaand probtown on Pjo.

Why?

If you want a specific reason, the comment about QTs is a good one. But, it wasn't one specific thing. I like his lil dashes.

In post 177, Syryana wrote: Pedit: Hey Pjo, I can guarantee you voting sword is not going to make him talk to you any faster.

And I lynch him.

Easy.

Let's delve into the giant paragraph now.

In post 177, Syryana wrote:

In post 175, enomis wrote:Then why switch wagon? Give me a legit reason why you think Zach wagon is better.

My reason for being on the Whimsywagon was primarily due to the scumslip.

By extension you're saying my actions are more unforgivable than a scum slip. I uhhh... don't even know what to say to that. (Or to the fact that if he is your top suspect you can actually make him the top wagon right nao. What's stopping you.)

In post 177, Syryana wrote:It's fairly obvious at this point that wagon is going precisely nowhere (particularly given Whimsy hasn't been seen since that slip post)

This is bullshit. See above. You can literally make him the #1 wagon with your one vote. The fact that he hasn't posted actually merits more pressure on him IMO.

In post 177, Syryana wrote:and I like the Zach wagon for a couple of reasons. The problem with Zach is not what he's saying against Pjovek's flavor claim; I 100% agree that flavor claim is a terrible idea. However, look how Zach pushes the idea;

It seems agreeing that it's a bad idea should be where it ends. It's almost like you guys are trying to force an extra level of play here where you're trying to work an already made conclusion of Zach scum into taking advantage of the situation. This presumes Pjovek town and frankly I'm just floored that this kind of leap and presumption is being made.

In post 177, Syryana wrote:he links a game where scum got away with pushing mass claim on Day 1

Yeah, the reason I did that was to demonstrate that the action has a scum motivation and that the reaction to the action leads to an anti-town gamestate if you don't answer the action directly with a rebuke like I did.

In post 177, Syryana wrote:without giving reasons and claims that's sufficient reason to lynch Pjovek (as Pjo has not given reasons either).

I voted with reason. Part of the game at that point is to get people to react to my vote and infer what my reasons are, something that... you know would help me come to positions on reacting players. (I don't think my reasoning for that vote at that point in the game is that hard to infer if you put some thought into it.)

In post 177, Syryana wrote:He makes no attempt to ask Pjo what his reasons are and the game he linked has little to do with the situation at hand; the mechanics are entirely different, pushing flavor claim is different from pushing massclaim, etc. I believe Tierce has already gone over this.

They're different kinds of claims, but they generally contribute to anti-town gamestates. The fact that they are different kind of claims doesn't change my stance on the issue. He pushed for a form of massclaim. Are we really going to argue semantics about full massclaim vs partial massclaim? Hell trying to push a more subtle massclaim that people see as seemingly harmless is something I would find more scummy because the damaging effects of such a partial massclaim are not likely to be immediately apparent to a town.

In post 177, Syryana wrote:In the meantime, Zach

still

has not tried to scumhunt, figure out Pjo's reasoning for pushing flavor claim, has not looked for any suspects other than Pjo. He's being very lazy and his method for pushing his scumread on Pjo frankly sucks.

Bullshit. Two simultaneous arguments are being made here. One that Zach is not scumhunting, and two that Zach's scumhunting sucks in your opinion. The two of these do not resolve together. If you're going to challenge my reasoning and call my lazy... fine. (But also you should probably make sure that I've never exhibited these traits as town in other games as well, just a tip.) Just don't say I'm not scumhunting, because the statement is entirely untrue.

In post 177, Syryana wrote:Now, I've never played with Zach before (he was my mod in Micro 134, <3), but when I see someone with a scummy for Best Town Performance doing lazy/bad things like this it calls for some voteage. And I'm shamelessly sheeping Tierce.

I already touched on this, but part of the reason you're voting me is because I have a scummy and you expect more from me as a result?

Are you even sure Tierce is town? (I'm inferring that on your willingness to sheep her.) I'm not exactly having great feelings about her early play. Her jump on me feels just a bit opportunistic and more over semantics than anything else.

Semantics is probably not the word you're looking for. /semantics /pedantry

I haven't really looked at this game overnight, but I kind of hate Syryana parroting and sheeping me.

@zach: Conclusion: Your vote is a part reaction vote. Now tell me how do you gather reactions when:

In post 106, Zachrulez wrote: I'm barely paying attention to anything else in this game beyond my initial observations right now.

And from what i read, your reason for voting Pjovek isn't getting any stronger and i assume since its a half reaction vote and you would gather all the reactions you like, isn't time to
a) Actually question pjovek to confirm your read
b) See who else is scummy because you are currently only defending yourself and refusing to pay attention to anything else.
c) Join me on the whimsical wagon. If not, tell me why.

To be fair, my vote on Pjovek is starting to look silly now given how early it was in the game and how much as happened then, coupled with the fact that I've lost some interest in it.



I've heard a scumslip referred to, but I don't see it. My issue is that he hit Tammy for discussing game mechanics/merley commenting, when his own post basically amounted to the same thing. Tammy's done far more than he claims she has at this point, and we've seen no followup from the Whimsey one so far, which irks me because you think that would be the kind of line of thought someone genuinely scumhunting actually would follow up on. His lack of follow up doesn't come from not being available to respond either. He posted on site twice on Sunday.

In post 185, Zachrulez wrote:He posted on site twice on Sunday.

I have been waiting to see his response to the reactions to his first post. Since he's been around to respond and hasn't done so,

VOTE: whimsical eggplant

I believe that's L-3.

Errr...



In case the incorrectly named one doesn't count.

My lack of attention to the game over the weekend was due to having lots of shiny distractions. My lack of attention in that timeframe isn't meant to say that I was never going to give the content in the game attention, just that I wasn't in much of a position to over the last couple of days.

Ehhh. You get a pass for now.

UNVOTE: Zachrulez
VOTE: fferyllt

Oversoul: it's pretty obvious that I couldn't be any less interested in discussing game mechanics and parallels with previous games. I'm probably the one player here who is most familiar with what is going in Vi's head re: modding nowadays, and I can tell you that I see nothing in similar with MwtK--because it follows a ? Really now? . Doesn't make this one anywhere near that game, and the mechanics involved are not going to match. Stop wasting time on that and trying to make vague hints and apply yourself to this game. If I see anything relevant that merits bringing up I'll do so, I don't need you attempting to signal me in a roundabout way.


Don't know if I mentioned it already, but enomis is silly levels of obvTown. (If you're competent scum, then congrats, you're more useful than most Town anyway.)

In post 185, Zachrulez wrote:To be fair, my vote on Pjovek is starting to look silly now given how early it was in the game and how much as happened then, coupled with the fact that I've lost some interest in it.

Vote: Whimsey Eggplant

I've heard a scumslip referred to, but I don't see it. My issue is that he hit Tammy for discussing game mechanics/merley commenting, when his own post basically amounted to the same thing. Tammy's done far more than he claims she has at this point, and we've seen no followup from the Whimsey one so far, which irks me because you think that would be the kind of line of thought someone genuinely scumhunting actually would follow up on. His lack of follow up doesn't come from not being available to respond either. He posted on site twice on Sunday.

Do you think your case is a strong case?
What do you think about this sentence:

In post 33, Whimsical Eggplant wrote:Agreed with mattp(town read) that releasing flavor is a bad idea.

In post 186, fferyllt wrote:

In post 185, Zachrulez wrote:He posted on site twice on Sunday.

I have been waiting to see his response to the reactions to his first post. Since he's been around to respond and hasn't done so,

VOTE: whimsical eggplant

I believe that's L-3.

What is this. A super-delayed vote?

In post 189, enomis wrote:What is this. A super-delayed vote?

I'm pretty deliberate with my vote on day 1. Was planning to wait another day or two and see what he has to say in response, but the fact that whimsical eggplant has been around and posting yesterday but didn't check back in here bothers me. He has a case to respond to.

VOTE: Unvote
VOTE: Whimsical Eggplant

Perfectly able to post elsewhere on this site.
Yeah.
Let's put this on L-1, shall we.

Did it occured to you: (zach, fferyllt and pjovek) that he did not read this thread considering his post is only 2 at other forums and they are only 2 mins apart. Which means there is a high chance that he viewed other forums on mobile and did not read this thread( my interpretation) Thoughts?

In post 192, enomis wrote:Did it occured to you: (zach, fferyllt and pjovek) that he did not read this thread considering his post is only 2 at other forums and they are only 2 mins apart. Which means there is a high chance that he viewed other forums on mobile and did not read this thread( my interpretation) Thoughts?

It's possible. I don't think it weakens my point, though it's not the entire crux of my vote anyway.

Also I went back to your post where you originally voted for Whimsical and I see the point you're making now. He's agreeing with Matt about something Matt never mentioned in game as far as I can see.

In post 192, enomis wrote:Did it occured to you: (zach, fferyllt and pjovek) that he did not read this thread considering his post is only 2 at other forums and they are only 2 mins apart. Which means there is a high chance that he viewed other forums on mobile and did not read this thread( my interpretation) Thoughts?

A mobile driveby did not occur to me, no. Though you're right that the activity level suggests a driveby.

Do you have a problem with him being at L-2 given your case?

In post 194, fferyllt wrote:

In post 192, enomis wrote:Did it occured to you: (zach, fferyllt and pjovek) that he did not read this thread considering his post is only 2 at other forums and they are only 2 mins apart. Which means there is a high chance that he viewed other forums on mobile and did not read this thread( my interpretation) Thoughts?

A mobile driveby did not occur to me, no. Though you're right that the activity level suggests a driveby.

Do you have a problem with him being at L-2 given your case?

Stahp it.
He's at L-1.

In post 195, Pjovek wrote:

In post 194, fferyllt wrote:

In post 192, enomis wrote:Did it occured to you: (zach, fferyllt and pjovek) that he did not read this thread considering his post is only 2 at other forums and they are only 2 mins apart. Which means there is a high chance that he viewed other forums on mobile and did not read this thread( my interpretation) Thoughts?

A mobile driveby did not occur to me, no. Though you're right that the activity level suggests a driveby.

Do you have a problem with him being at L-2 given your case?

Stahp it.
He's at L-1.

You sure? zachrules voted twice because he wasn't sure the name abbreviation would count.

Because i don't want to end the day now where there may be a possibility of 72 hours day. Any guy who is intending to hammer better state your intention first and don't quick hammer when god knows how many people haven't post.

@zach:It weakens your case a lot actually we have seen no follow up because he has not read this thread at all(my interpretation). But bah.

L-1 is good. Lets wait for him to come back.

And scouting out scum on the wagon

on and off the wagon.