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^ SEconding that, my vote was initially for pressure and several people decided to jump on it for "more pressure"

methinks one of them is scum

notscience, just to clear it, Z7 started the mvm-wagon only HC joined after you.
Smudger, could you place a vote somewhere, please?

In post 172, FuDuzn wrote:And Dessew, on my post 149 I totally did not say Z7 was lurking. That post was about how he was going after lurkers.

It kind of tricked me, my bad. Your finding mvm town is still weird, though. He even says that "notscience doesn't do nothing", then places an either prod or hypocritical vote and he only made a random vote earlier. Your reasoning must be amusing so I'd really like to read it.

Meh his was an RVS vote that was never unvoted methinks

if not then whatever

The point stands, the last 2 people on it put him too close to a lynch for my likings.

So regardless of deadline, if at any point we reach a majority vote on a player, that player is lynched? Or is it majority at deadline?

gotta agree with fuzz that z7 isnt following his scummometer at 149.

What you guys think of Z7 ?

Not too long till day 1 ends, and there's nobody I'm really comfortable lynching. Gonna have to do a reread and see what comes up.

MVM is REALLY bugging me now.

He places a vote on someone for something he did, and is trying to sheep people as well as not forming his own stuff.

I feel like MVM is a step or two behind our discussion whenever he posts. I realize he has catching up to do but it doesn't really seem to fit, it seems like he is trying to contribute but he is really just recycling what we have said already or his information is out of date.

In post 146, mvmafia wrote:sorry for the vla. I was on a business trip. Now I'm reading all to catch up.

but i agree with cynical that it's weird to see notscience asking people about the "no lynch" thing.

I agree that FuzzDn needs to post more. will vote him untill he comes up and gives us more content.

unvote

The no lynch thing with me and notscience was resolved several pages before he posted this, and it basically boiled down to a misinterpretation on my part. Why bring it up again? And FuDuzn gave us his promised post, and MVM hasn't unvoted him since then. Why?

VOTE: FuzzDN

In post 180, mvmafia wrote:gotta agree with fuzz that z7 isnt following his scummometer at 149.

What you guys think of Z7 ?

While it was true at this point that Z7 wasn't acting 100% on his alleged reads, by the time MVM posted this Z7 had already made a post (#166) in which he explained that MVM was now his number one scum read. MVM makes no attempt to address this at all. This does not sit well with me.

Since it is closer to deadline, I'd like to point out that DDP has been absent lately. He's been very passive thus far so I am not attempting to point this behavior out as especially suspicious on his part, I would just everybody to review their options.

The no lynch thing with me and notscience was resolved several pages before he posted this, and it basically boiled down to a misinterpretation on my part. Why bring it up again? And FuDuzn gave us his promised post, and MVM hasn't unvoted him since then. Why?****

That is my own post, sorry guys I suck at quotes.

This game got so dead jesus

Fuduzn, #172 oh dear a little too defensive there IMO, Where did I say you were saying you were scum?. I say "why do people say this", the inference being that they, people, may allude to the fact that scum might do this or might do that, or that, if they were in the position of playing as scum them maybe they would be doing so and so. In certain contexts I find it rather scummy tbh...

In post 186, Smudger wrote:Fuduzn, #172

oh dear a little too defensive there IMO, Where did I say you were saying you were scum?. I say "why do people say this", the inference being that they, people, may allude to the fact that scum might do this or might do that, or that, if they were in the position of playing as scum them maybe they would be doing so and so. In certain contexts I find it rather scummy tbh...

darn it.... maybe not

In post 174, Feel It wrote:@Smudger: It changed when everybody bandwagoned on him for lurking, was too easy a target for people to gang up on and brought my attention to others. Like I said I'm not convinced he's town but lynching someone just for lurking is not really good town play.

completely disagree that is what happened, I cannot see why you would go from , your Post 103 :-

"mvm has done nothing useful, will have put as a leaning scum for now, would like to see more involvement."

to your Post 111:

"Personally I think mvm's passiveness is a null tell, he's a lurker in general and it looks to me like he's gonna be scapegoated into an easy lynch."

you are contradicting your own read here and this is with no activity from said player between the posts. you are saying he is leaning scum with you for no activity then you say he is a null tell for the same reasons?

Dessew your post 176 just about to do that

In post 181, Feel It wrote:Not too long till day 1 ends, and there's nobody I'm really comfortable lynching. Gonna have to do a reread and see what comes up.

I am

VOTE: Feel It

In post 164, Smudger wrote:

In post 115, Debonair Danny DiPietro wrote:It was mostly how he substituted the word interesting for anything useful in his second post that bothered me; it's nothing substansive but felt like I should poke at him a bit.

the use of wording is a scum tell now? please expand?

In post 123, Debonair Danny DiPietro wrote:Ya motherfucker! I almost had him, I almost had him. Ya stuttering prick ya. notscience, was he shaking? I wonder about you sometimes, Dessew. You may fold under questioning.

sorry? had him? Had him doing what? or is this sarcasm?

Of course wording can be a scumtell; for example in that case Z7's wording was safe wording designed not to pick a fight, which is more likely a scum attribute than a town attribute.

And for those not in on the joke(s) from earlier...

In post 180, mvmafia wrote:gotta agree with fuzz that z7 isnt following his scummometer at 149.

What you guys think of Z7 ?

I often write off hypocrisy like I saw from mvm earlier in regards to FuD, but this is more than a little bothersome. Someone else can't be a little inconsistent? Of course there are good possible reasons to disregard a top scumread in favor of lesser reads depending on circumstances, I'd in fact say it's a town attribute not to be wedded to one's stances. The real dodgy part is where he blatently solicitates for other's views; isntead of taking a stance himself he's probing things to see if he can get away with a move there.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: mvmafia

We need to find some majority consensus fast or we face possibility of no-lynch or unfavorable mislynch. Also I will be V/LA from Friday till Monday so I'am giving you a early heads-up on this, but this will be mostly night and dawn of second day.

I still get the feeling that isn't really giving us anything. There isn't anything original in his posts (#180) and just getting the feeling that he's doing this active lurking because either he doesn't care or he's hiding something. It's like he's trying to float and not doing any work. I'am leaning little toward the first option because (like HopefullyCynical stated (#184)) he's doing stuff that someone wouldn't do if they would follow the thread.

cleared peoples misrep on him (#172) quite nicely. This cleared some suspicions off him in my books but he's really not my top lynch targets right now.

There really haven't been really much activity and I don't have any reasons to switch my stance right now. Like DDDP said (#190) town should be to adamant on their reads but to be open to see other possibilities.

Scumometer (tm)
HopefullyCynical < Dessew < FuDuzn < notscience < DDDP < Smudger < Feel It < mvmafia

In post 189, Smudger wrote:

In post 174, Feel It wrote:@Smudger: It changed when everybody bandwagoned on him for lurking, was too easy a target for people to gang up on and brought my attention to others. Like I said I'm not convinced he's town but lynching someone just for lurking is not really good town play.

completely disagree that is what happened, I cannot see why you would go from , your Post 103 :-

"mvm has done nothing useful, will have put as a leaning scum for now, would like to see more involvement."

to your Post 111:

"Personally I think mvm's passiveness is a null tell, he's a lurker in general and it looks to me like he's gonna be scapegoated into an easy lynch."

you are contradicting your own read here and this is with no activity from said player between the posts. you are saying he is leaning scum with you for no activity then you say he is a null tell for the same reasons?

Dessew your post 176 just about to do that

In post 181, Feel It wrote:Not too long till day 1 ends, and there's nobody I'm really comfortable lynching. Gonna have to do a reread and see what comes up.

I am

VOTE: Feel It

Nah, I just changed my view, it was in that chunk of posts in between that the bw on him started.

So dead jeez

This is looking bad for town

I'll settle for an mvm lynch today.

In post 190, Debonair Danny DiPietro wrote:
I often write off hypocrisy like I saw from mvm earlier in regards to FuD, but this is more than a little bothersome. Someone else can't be a little inconsistent? Of course there are good possible reasons to disregard a top scumread in favor of lesser reads depending on circumstances, I'd in fact say it's a town attribute not to be wedded to one's stances. The real dodgy part is where he blatently solicitates for other's views; isntead of taking a stance himself he's probing things to see if he can get away with a move there.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: mvmafia

Cant i agree with anyone else ? Why are you so intimidated with that ?

Cynical is right. I'm catching up the reading. sorry

but i still can beg to differ. IF i think i have to

Actually help or die.

mvm, what are your reads on everybody in the game?

In post 198, Feel It wrote:mvm, what are your reads on everybody in the game?

doing that now. posting soon