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Right now I'm getting town reads from Desperado, Stubbs and Uber. Since they seem to be on the level and seem to see you as scummy it helps me feel good about this vote. It just seems to me that you are trying very hard to come off as town, but you don't seem genuine to me, in fact it seems forced and fake.

at least quote where he "tries too hard to come off as town"

In post 119, Elyse wrote:Ok. I have a townread on you. Good job.

In post 153, Elyse wrote:Good job means "Good job you passed the test."

I've addressed that concern from other people already and I didn't want to keep saying the same thing over and over again so I let it be and instead of defending myself, I tried to articulate a read on him.

In post 170, Elyse wrote:Yay for Slandaar!

Those posts stand out to me.

In post 172, Elyse wrote:His most recent post is excellent? I agree but coming from you that's strange since he calls you out as scum with good reasoning.

I noticed this as well which seems odd to me. If someone was flat out calling me scum I don't think I would congratulate them on their post being excellent. Haven't decided how to take this yet.

In post 171, A Simple Plan wrote:Slandaar's most recent post is excellent, and I'm going to go ahead and say it's enough for me to consider him town right now. Still looking at Elyse and Kid A as scum suspects right now. Also, got a new laptop so posting might be a bit easier, but as of right now it's 12:30 and I've got my first day of classes in college tomorrow, so I'm going to bed. Will try to update with better quality soon.

Oh dear. Seconding Elyse here. This is so wrong; if you consider Slandaar's posting excellent, then are you agreeing with his reasoning and thus admitting you are scum? You don't address anything he's said against you at all, thus I can only conclude that this is the case!

Also, if Slandaar's post is excellent and you therefore agree with his reasoning, then how can you say Kid A and Elyse are your scum suspects when Slandaar has them pegged as town?

This is not making any sense at all.

Also, Slandaar, looking forward to your further summary/reads up till current. Are the reads you posted in #166 based only on what you've covered thus far, or are they influenced by later events too?

Finally paging Gee Gee - where you at? Hoping you pop your heads in here soon and give us your perspective. About the only thing I know about you is that you had a townish read on ASP. Can you give us more than that now?

UNVOTE:

For now.

Yeah ff you're so right saying "Yay for Slandaar" should make me obvtown.

In post 166, Slandaar wrote:At this Point Kid A and Elyse are pretty obviously town. Pushing a wagon in RVS is fine.

Are they town they're pushing a wagon in RVS? Because up until that point that was most of their actions.

Hey could you give some reads instead of constantly asking questions that don't go anywhere? Yes this is snarky but looking through your ISO you don't have much of a definitive stance on anyone besides Kid A, which is an awful vote.

In post 181, Elyse wrote:Yeah ff you're so right saying "Yay for Slandaar" should make me obvtown.

I was beginning to doubt my read. That's when I usually ask others for their opinion.
You are still far from obvtown.

I've found value in Buffy/Drac's questions.

@Formerfish: Your vote's convenient and safe. Does anything else stand out to you from anyone and why?

In post 179, UberKang wrote: Also, Slandaar, looking forward to your further summary/reads up till current. Are the reads you posted in #166 based only on what you've covered thus far, or are they influenced by later events too?

What?

I think you have the wrong guy; I have already met my quota of content for the day.

In post 182, Buffy vs Dracula wrote:

In post 166, Slandaar wrote:At this Point Kid A and Elyse are pretty obviously town. Pushing a wagon in RVS is fine.

Are they town

because

they're pushing a wagon in RVS? Because up until that point that was most of their actions.

Because of how they were pushing a wagon in RVS along with some other things such as Elyse informing us there are no jesters, that is very valuable information we don't want any of those pesky jesters surprising us when we think we have a scum lynch. Seriously though, do you think Elysescum would try to mimic me as she did? It is quite... outrageous from scum. It was a good reaction as I said in my post.

Sorry about the lack of activity, I ask my other head to make a post but I guess they either didn't get the message or were busy themselves.

I've had a long day and I don't feel like working through everything right now, I should be able to make a reads post tomorrow morning. (It's night for me right now.)

Not sure why everyone is content to call out how bad Simple's reaction to Slandaar's post was without voting it.

In post 184, StubbsKVM wrote:

In post 181, Elyse wrote:Yeah ff you're so right saying "Yay for Slandaar" should make me obvtown.

I was beginning to doubt my read. That's when I usually ask others for their opinion.
You are still far from obvtown.

What? Formerfish said that saying "Yay for Slandaar" is me trying to look town, so I was being facetious in my response to him. I don't get your response here.

P-edit:
UNVOTE:
VOTE: A Simple Plan

This is true. I was waiting for a response from him but extra pressure won't hurt.

Alright so at this point, Slandaar, Desperado, Kid A, and UberKang are my strongest townreads. I'm getting a townfeel from pdmedic too at this point.

Formerfish is scummy. Not going into that again. He also piggybacks off Desperado.
A Simple Plan is scummy. Basically refer to Slandaar's post and his reaction to it, which I've already pointed out. His town lean from the answer to my question is gone.
Buffy v Dracula is scummy for asking tons and tons of questions, most of which don't go anywhere, and not having a stance on anyone besides Kid A. And the vote on Kid A is bad because Kid A is a strong townread of mine for his RVS actions and staying true to his townread on me. (not because it's a townread on me specifically, but staying true to a townread in general)

Stubbs is tough to read but I feel like he cherry picks posts to respond too so he's leaning scum. Alexcellent, Gee Gee, and mnemonicdevice are null.

GeeGee, if either of your heads would be willing to comment on the current scenario that would be much appreciated.

In post 183, Elyse wrote:Hey could you give some reads instead of constantly asking questions that don't go anywhere? Yes this is snarky but looking through your ISO you don't have much of a definitive stance on anyone besides Kid A, which is an awful vote.

I'm sort of curious-- you seem to think me asking questions instead of posting reads is scummy, what with that scumread and all. Why is asking lots of questions scummy again?

Not having strong reads at the start of D1 is a perfectly normal thing. I'll post my reads when I feel they have factual basis to them. Until then, I'm going to continue to ask people for elaboration.

Oh, one last thing. The post I quoted was in response to me questioning Slandaar, who seems to have you down as town. And you're very angry at me for voting Kid A, who thinks you're town as well. Chainsaw defense much?

Also, it's ridiculous to assume ASP and Formerfish are scum together.

--Buffy

I have no problem with asking questions. Nor did I say asking questions was scummy. However, asking tons of questions, most of which have no follow-up, combined with a lack of content on players, IS scummy.

In post 194, Buffy vs Dracula wrote:Also, it's ridiculous to assume ASP and Formerfish are scum together.

--Buffy

Why

Its hard to get anything going right now when Alexcellent and Mnemonic haven't posted in the last 48 hours, and we have two apparent prod dodge posts from Gee and pdmedic.

Also,

Going back over your ISO, you've been very proactive in trying to figure out scum. I think you have some solid leads, and others you are misguided about. My vote on you may have been somewhat biased by the rvs stage wagon. I'm leaning town on you now though.



For the following two posts.

In post 157, A Simple Plan wrote:

In post 150, Buffy vs Dracula wrote:@ASP, You can't see any potential town motivation for not outing ones reads?

Hiding one's reads doesn't provide anything for the town to go on, and it just feels too secretive for my liking. I suppose one could do so as town to to try to protect his or her interests later in the game and protect himself from being framed for a NK through his scum-reads being targeted. I still feel like it's more anti-town because it gives us less to work with, but now that I think about it more, it gives a more null read on Slandaar than straight scum.

Elyse is only making my scum read on her a bit stronger and gives me less doubt, and her 153 feels odd, especially in response to Desperado's 152. I feel like my vote on Kid A is pretty good, and the OMGUS reaction to my vote in 133 makes me feel that much better about it.

In post 171, A Simple Plan wrote:Slandaar's most recent post is excellent, and I'm going to go ahead and say it's enough for me to consider him town right now. Still looking at Elyse and Kid A as scum suspects right now. Also, got a new laptop so posting might be a bit easier, but as of right now it's 12:30 and I've got my first day of classes in college tomorrow, so I'm going to bed. Will try to update with better quality soon.

In post 195, Elyse wrote:I have no problem with asking questions. Nor did I say asking questions was scummy. However, asking tons of questions, most of which have no follow-up, combined with a lack of content on players, IS scummy.

The purpose of all of these questions is to force players to elaborate so that everyone can form better reads on them.

In post 196, Elyse wrote:

In post 194, Buffy vs Dracula wrote:Also, it's ridiculous to assume ASP and Formerfish are scum together.

--Buffy

Why

I got the impression that Fish was buddying ASP earlier in the thread and vice versa, which they wouldn't be doing if they were both scum.

--Buffy