Newbie 1433 - Game Over

[Mr_Ree]

It's a combination of voting pattern and gut.

I think you know better than what you let on...

[TheFuzzylogic99]

Okay- I can get the gut thing. I tend to go by my gut instincts as much as I do my logic/. I dont get the voting record. My Vote for bob was a random vote. My unvote was bc he was a random vote. My vote on Sthar is bc she genuinely seem scummy enough to vote for .She tried to hammer someone after voting for them twice. Not only that she seems very happy about the quick lynch. I am not going to vote someone bc there is a wagon on them. Yes Bob seem scummy but I am not convinced enough that he deserves a vote. You seem just as eager to get a quick lynch which makes me nervous.

Can you explain why you seem so eager to get a quick lynch on BOB, You seem to be voting for me bc Im not on the lynch Bob wagon....atleast that is how I am interpreting it.

[SatanHellYeah]

@archie
If you are a good player, there's no point in saying "my behavior is alright" to a newbie. I know your behavior is kind of alright. Or at least it should look like it. I am just following my beliefs and the little information I can get for now.

@Ree
I know you are the IC here. And that's probably the reason Idon't understand half of your actions. If they are RT or whatever. But, for now, you're still looking scummy for me.

@Sthar
That was really odd? I mean, if you managed to get him hammered, and he was indeed scum(because I firmly believe it) there would be no problem, but if he, for some reason, was town, you would have been in big trouble bro. Like, you would have got lynched probably. So I can't really think you are scum looking to sacrifice yourself to kill a townie...also, my suspicions are on archie and ree for now.

@Fuzzy
You have your point but saying the IC's skills are bad is quite an affront.

[Nominull]

There's no real skill level qualification for playing as IC. Experience is required, and presumably you get better with experience, but the point of the IC is to provide someone who's familiar with the mechanics and social norms of how the game is played on the site for people to refer to, not necessarily to provide someone who's so amazing at the game they'll automatically win for whatever side they're on. That'd be no fun, after all.

[TheFuzzylogic99]

Hmm.....I did not know that Null.thank for letting me know....I assumed that IC were suppose to very good players as well as being knowledgable about the game and site culture. as for Ree it seemed to me he playing a bit sloppy. It could be that I dont have alot of game knowledge so his action seems a bit odd,

Even if Sthar double vote was an accident , his eagerness to quick lynch Archie seem really bad. He seem to try to justify his action by saing normally its bad to ...... than perceed to try hammer Archie.. I just really feel like Sthars attempted hammer seems over opptumistic. Maybe I am misreading the whole thing but Sthar just realy pinging my scumdar.

[TheFuzzylogic99]

Even good players has thier bad game. But like I said he using methods I am not use to so it hard to guage hi intentions or if he even using these techniques in the right wayor even for true scum hunting reasons. Im kind of going off gut feeling .

[Ranawey]

I like how Nominull's posts are only 2Pac related, mechanics related and

[quote=Nominull]You can click the "activity overview" link in the bottom right to see when each player's last post was.[/quote]


VOTE: Nominull

[Ranawey]

Why do I always fuck up when I try to bbcode? ;_;

Gonna read the thread now.

[archaebob]

@ Satan -

That's fine. If your gut read on me is scum, then I applaud you for getting a vote up and sticking to it. I'm just making sure you understand what the site meta dictates for early Day 1, and that my pattern of forcefully pressuring people lines up with it, in terms of what I'm physically doing with my vote. I don't have a problem if your read of me goes deeper. I was getting a little anxious last page of an impending flash wagon, and for that reason felt compelled to vehemently push back against everyone voting for me.

There's no real skill level qualification for playing as IC. Experience is required, and presumably you get better with experience, but the point of the IC is to provide someone who's familiar with the mechanics and social norms of how the game is played on the site for people to refer to, not necessarily to provide someone who's so amazing at the game they'll automatically win for whatever side they're on. That'd be no fun, after all.

You're articulate. Interesting. So maybe I get it then. You need to give me

something

though. I'm not looking to waste my time, but I don't have license to simply move on when you're explicitly violating the norms that newbie games are designed to instill. In the world of entry-level mafia play we're supposed to lynch you if you don't post anything.

@ TheFuzzyLogic -

What do you think of Ranawey?

@ Ranawey -

What do you think of TheFuzzyLogic?

[Ranawey]

Regarding 2Pac, I think he may be town. Didn't understand his reasons to vote Nominull, but he did his best to explain himself, even with that gimmick (I love it, btw).

About the Mr_Ree's RT, I thought it was an RT from the beginning, and I think it was a good strat. Satan didn't reacted as expected, so he may be town too.

Skelda pushing on archaebob because his 'wall of theory' seems dumb. I have to read more from archaebob, anyways. I see your point, but I don't feel like archaebob would fall for that.

Blahblahblah '2pac is annoying fillery'.


1. How much mafia have you played on site? offsite?
This is my first game. I've played a lot on EpicMafia (it sucks but it's entertaining sometimes) and in GlobalGamer's irc chat (it's fun as hell)

2. How much mafia have you played in meatworld?
I've played a lot with my family but it was never that serious We only played with townies, cop, doctor and mafiosos. It was fun.

3. Have you read any onsite games for fun?
I've read many mini theme games, because I liked the mechanics. Also read a lot of bastard mod games, I'd like to take part in one of those, haha.

4. What is your favorite color?
Dark Green


PEdit:
@Archaebob: I have a town feeling coming from him, just because he never seems 100% secure about his thoughts. Yeah, it's an easy way to towntell while being scum, but I can trust him for the moment.

[Ranawey]

Well, now that I think about it, Fuzzy should be more secure about his thoughts, since we are in Day 1 and we need to put pressure on our FoSes to get info.

[Nominull]

You're articulate. Interesting. So maybe I get it then. You need to give me

something

though. I'm not looking to waste my time, but I don't have license to simply move on when you're explicitly violating the norms that newbie games are designed to instill. In the world of entry-level mafia play we're supposed to lynch you if you don't post anything.

"We can't just let people casually violate the norms of play" is basically my whole point dude. Look at 2Pac for that, not me. And on a side note if a newbie-game actually manages to lynch someone for lurking I will cry tears of joy and my faith in humanity will be restored.

[archaebob]

Right that's fine but you can still contribute elsewhere. It's one thing to support a policy lynch, and it's another thing to use your support for a policy lynch as a reason to not give reads. In fact, much of the criticism of policy lynches is that it encourages that type of play and reduces town info. Think about it. If we live in a world where supporting policy lynches is an accepted part of the meta,

and

there's no expectation that you post other reads while supporting that policy lynch, then what conceivable risk is there to the scum? Just pick a policy lynch, justify it on easily defended logical grounds ("anti-town hurts town"), and then coast through the game. I'm fine with you taking a hard line stance against hurtful play, but I'm not fine with you clamming up. There's no town motivation for it. Right now I think you are

much

more of a problem than 2Pac, who though annoying, has actually posted reads in a semi-transparent fashion.

[Ranawey]

Oh, look! Nominull is ignoring my vote and still talking about policies and mechanics!

[sthar8]

Going backwards...

Even if Sthar double vote was an accident , his eagerness to quick lynch Archie seem really bad.

Neither of these is true. Read on!

My vote on Sthar is bc she

I'm a dude. It says so every time I post. You are getting my name right, so kudos for that.

That's adorable, sthar8.

Now how about some reads?

Lol I thought you didn't like reaction tests...

Don't see much of a point to it either. It may have worked better at L-1.

Yeah I was aware that I was going to do this when I posted that. More accurately, I hate reaction tests that don't have an obvious point. Doing something "to see what would happen" is scummy as shit.

And you are correct that this one didn't work out, but it could have. Also it was super low risk and gave the newbies an example of a gambit. I pulled the trigger at L-2 in order to avoid any "I didn't read what a hammer is but I can vote too!" votes, which I have seen before with newbies.

And so, the gambit:

As most of you have already figured out, I was already voting for bob at the time of my "hammer." This means that even if he were at L-1, my vote could not lynch him because I was already on the wagon. I was perfectly aware that everything not game theory in post 166 was untrue. I did this in order to give you all an example of a gambit, to make you all scrutinize my play and possibly generate some discussion along those lines, and potentially to trick bob into claiming scum.

The idea was that since the votes on him had come fairly quickly, with two votes in a page, bob might be feeling some pressure. When confronted with a claim of hammer, I was hoping that he'd look at the most recent votecount and count the three votes for him on the page, coming to the conclusion that he was actually dead. Since the time between the hammer and the thread getting locked is variable this would put him in a rush to get in the last word, something that I think bob would likely want to do. Specifically, I was hoping that he would be annoyed at being caught by what he would perceive to be bad play, and would spend his twilight post yelling fuckwords at me and telling me that I merely got lucky in catching him.

Now, there was very little chance of this working. Bob's IC posts, if nothing else, indicate that he likes to play very factually. I would guess that he usually carefully checks everything before discussing it in thread. I was hoping the pressure and the clock would overcome this, obviously that didn't happen. However, the potential ideal reward and even the discussion that would be generated if I failed far outweighed the negligible risk I would be incurring, and even failure wouldn't actually hurt the town. Plus I've been playing somewhat experimentally lately.

Result: Bob did not claim scum, and he was not fooled by the fakehammer. He did get a little panicky, and I'll be analyzing some of his response post a little later. He certainly did not fail, but it's not really a test you can pass.

Questions? Comments? Votes for me?

Thor had a tantrum all over my yard last night, and I've gotta go clean it up. I'll be back later to talk about bobby.

[archaebob]

Oh I was the MOST panicky. I wouldn't put it past this town to quick hammer based on what I've seen so far.

[Ranawey]

Wow, I guess I could never do something like that, but I dig your RT.

My question is, do you still think that archaebob is scum?


ninjaedit: Damn you, archaebob, ninjaing my posts.

[SatanHellYeah]

@Nominull
I'm afraid that you will get lynched at this rate. You need to contribute. If not, you're probably dying today.

@Ranawey
I assume you are voting Nominull merely because he is not being helpful, and not because you think he might be scum, right? I am not criticizing your vote, just checking.

@Ree
Still not getting your damn tests.


@sthar
I don't know why your voice in my head sounds like a kid.
Appart from that, I choose to believe your point, basically because my suspicions are still in the same position. They haven't moved a single milimeter.

@Archie
I am sure you have noticed it already.

[Ranawey]

@Satan

Well, he's trying to push the policy lynch AND not contributing. It's either scum or useless stubborn townie.

[Ranawey]

And he's ignoring me!

[SatanHellYeah]

@Ranawey

Yeah, guess you're right. But I won't be voting for him just for now. If he keeps it, I'll gladly hammer him with my vote.

P.D.: He is ignoring US!

[sthar8]

@sthar
I don't know why your voice in my head sounds like a kid.

Young at heart?

I volunteer with kids often and my work environment is quite informal, so youthful phrasing might be sneaking into my vernacular.

I've been told before that my diction is indicative the other way. And my baby brother (who just started playing mafia) had his 21st birthday a week ago.

[TheFuzzylogic99]

I am reading Runaway as a townie. He has not done anything remotely scummy and all his post reads town. I going out on a limb and say Run is townie.


@ sthar.... huh......in post 163 you say you depise reaction tests than go on to say that your whole double vote was a reaction test on Bob. You just seem like a player trying to wiggle out very scummy behavior. Like I said you are really pinging my scumdar.

[TheFuzzylogic99]

@Run

I tend to overthink and overanylize my thoughts thus I tend to not be secure in my thoughts. I guess I should be more secure in my thoughts. I feel like being secure in your thoughts makes one townie, can you explain why you believe being more secure in your thoughts makes someone less scummy.

[Skelda]

Sthar, I really like that. Had you actually lynched him, I would have been outraged, but as it stands I think it reveals a lot about how quick to accuse some people are. At least one of the people who immediately voted for you is probably scum.

And the people going after Nomninull want an easy lynch. I'm reading him as stubborn town, and I don't want a lynch wasted on him when there are better candidates whose lynches will tell us more. Nomni, can you just give them reads to get them off of your back? Right now, if you are town, you had beter make an effort and not just let them waste today on you.