Mini 79 - SoT: Wizard's First Rule - GAME OVER

[melchizedek]

I am Zeddicus Zu'l Zorander (spelling), the First Wizard. I can protect one person with my powerful magic. I can also choose to investigate them, but if I do I lose the ability to protect or investigate anyone the next night.

The first night I protected Tam. The second, I investigated and protected FD and found him innocent. Thus I could not protect Rebel Lord, or anyone else, Night 3.

Foolster may be the only mafia, I don't know. But isn't it also possible that both the masons are lying. We saw no sign of them supporting each other before gin claimed mason, and as Tam pointed out, willows_weep didn't point out their masonhood while they were discussing investigating gin. I know modargo found w_w innocent and foolster guilty, but I could certainly see Denna as insane.

If you have input on who I should protect/investigate, I'd like to hear it.

[willows_weep]

The insane cop is like the paranoid cop isn't it? I though they would both see scum. And then naive cops saw town. And the regular non variation cops would get one or the other totally depending on the character role and not the mod directly...(I am not rejecting the thought of an insane cop. Just saying the way I thought that worked)

We saw no sign of them supporting each other before gin claimed mason

Hm...who does "We" include exactly?

Can you tell me exactly what you may be/are insinuating/saying?

It sounds like:
Foolster may be only mafia?
Weeps and Gin mafia?
Weeps, Gin , foolster
Weeps mafia?

The way your post adds up to me is that there may be 3 mafia.

I would like to know what you mean by that or if you could further explain because to me what you are saying doesn't add up.

I will comment further on the rest of your post( role claim and parts I need explained) when I know exactly what you are saying.

[modargo]

Thank you, melchizedek. That's exactly what I needed to hear, since that the role that (according to Tam) had to be out there, but was not accounted for. One thing, though. Both you and I have found FD innocent, so either we're both sane or we're both insane.

I am fairly confident that Foolster is the last mafia. My reasoning is simple. First, I take as a premise that there would not be a game with five mafia. Second, I note that for any one of the people other than Foolster to be mafia, at least one other person would have to be mafia too. (If gin was mafia, willows_weep would have to be too. If Tam was mafia, at least melchizedek would have to be too. If FD was mafia, Tam would have to be too.) Thus I conclude that Foolster is the last mafia. Seems a bit in favor of the town, if you ask me, but I'm not complaining.

I will note that there's an outside possibility that somebody is serving as a cover for the last mafia -- that is, they were provided false information in their role in order to deliberately mislead the town.

We have all the information we need. Lynch Foolster.

I really doubt we'll see another night, but in case we do. melchizedek could protect and investigate me (given that the question isn't whether I'm telling the truth about my rolename, but whether it's evil or not). And FD could make one of the masons post their rolename in their first post on the next day (probably gin, since I investigated willows_weep already). And I'd investigate melchizedek.

I'm open to other plans, though. Just suggest. The above is just the best I can think of right now. So yeah, please just cast the lynching vote. We have this game won.

[gin]

I'm a mason, but I won't say who with unless really forced or unless

they

choose to say (I'm leaving it up to

them

as it may put them at more risk).

I am not a mason or anything like that, I think the theory of Modargo is correct, so
willows_weep is the only possible partner, but you claim to have multiple!!!

Woops, that was just me phrasing badly - I was trying not to use a gender specific name. I'm a mason, just with willows weep.

We don't have a vig left, I suspect - that was Richard's role.

Anyway,

Vote Foolster

. If he's innocent take a long hard look at modargo.

Incidentally, if you go back through both ww's and my post's you should be able to find a word spelt out - (although I think we both may have typoed - mine is an extra ending letter every third post, spelling out manso though it should have been mason (there's a double post somewhere in the middle)). We've been doing this since day 1, which is a pretty bad idea for scum if they don't know whether there's another mason group out there our not.

As for not supporting, we wanted to keep our masonness hidden for as long as possible.

G & T

[Kerplunk]

The Last Vote Count

Foolster41

: 4 (Tam, modargo, Flying Dutchman, gin)

modargo

: 2 (Foolster41, melchizedek)

not voting: willows_weep

After a hard days discussing the town decides to lynch Foolster41. Is he Rachel or is he EVIL? Well, congratulations, Foolster was

EVIL

. He was the Witch Shota.

Foolster41, Shota, is lynched. Although she has great magical powers she had no night-ability what so-ever. Beside killing one of the town that is, ofcourse.

It is now night 4. Please send your choices before Thursday 20.00h GMT.

[Kerplunk]

The group gathers again in one of the great halls. As you count the heads it seems that everyone has made it through the night.

No-one has died.

It is now Day 4. Please, discuss.

[Flying Dutchman]

Although I suppose he tells the truth, I forced Melchizedek to claim this day. No kills, does that mean a lucky doc, or only non-killing evil left?

[gin]

So what am I ment to be doing now FD?

Anyway I think either Melchizedek or Modargo is lying. Two investigators? Unlikely given we've already had two coptypes on both sides.

tam - did you get any feedback night 1?

G & T

[willows_weep]

Major question...was there anything we could have learned from a night kill last night?
Could it be that any mafia would not make a night choice just for that reason?
Because technically we are still where we left off before thinking about the remaining anti town player.

[Tam]

Hmmm. OK, night 1 I got no word of anyone protecting me, Gin, which doesn't mean a whole lot, but also something very odd happened to me last night.
I got sent word that since Adie had died, I could now take over and protect someone. I thought that i was backup for the first wizard, so i sent back message asking if this was correct, and saying that if so, to protect FD, as I knew he was going to force someone to confess their role. I got no word back, so I don't know if they did try and kill FD and i blocked it, or if it was a mistake. But it may explain why there was no killing.

[willows_weep]

How long ago did Rebel character die?
That is really weird...

[modargo]

Seems pretty simple to me. Assuming Tam is telling the truth, melchizedek saw a perfect opportunity to claim a role that "had" to be in the game when everyone else had claimed and nobody claimed First Wizard. He targeted FD because he believed that nobody would be protecting him.

And frankly, since we know that the last scum has to be hiding behind a role that looks safe, I still think that simply lynching the two people who agreed with Foolster is the best idea. Or at least considering them for lynching before anyone else, as I don't really want to lynch gin that much. It's simply that I still think that the choosing of sides during my accusation of Foolster tells us more than almost anything else in the game.

For the record, I did investigate melchizedek last night. I got "good", but the rest of the message implied that I was not entirely sure about the result in a way completely different from how my other two "good" investigations had been.

Vote: melchizedek

.

But there are still some things that need to be done today. First, melchizedek needs to verify that he was targeted by the Mother Confessor and is forced to post his rolename. I'm not sure if it's allowed anyway, but just to be sure, don't include more than one rolename in your first post.

Second, Tam needs to get her role clarified.

Third, melchizedek needs to post whatever night result he got.

[gin]

For the record, I did investigate melchizedek last night. I got "good", but the rest of the message implied that I was not entirely sure about the result in a way completely different from how my other two "good" investigations had been.

How different? Also, anyone who has read the books - someone said the mord sith were evil in the first book, is this also true of Denna? *hopes he gets the name right*

But there are still some things that need to be done today. First, melchizedek needs to verify that he was targeted by the Mother Confessor and is forced to post his rolename. I'm not sure if it's allowed anyway, but just to be sure, don't include more than one rolename in your first post.

I still want to know what this does exactly? Force to post in thread or just pm role name?

G & T

[Flying Dutchman]

He is forced to post his true rolename in the first post today, I think. I don't know if he's allowed to post another name in the same post, but he may try it, because I will think he's lying if he tries to avoid the claim in any way.

[willows_weep]

Deena is sort of a gray area if you go into the emotional aspects of it.
If you were one of her trainees, well she would be evil!

Its complicated because Richard loved her and in her way she loved Richard. She isn't seen doing any horrible things to anyone but Richard and she let Richard kill her (sure he would have done so anyway...).

Hmm I wonder why shota was evil. In the book...sure everyone is terrified of her, but...she said she wasn't evil and that it was about the way you percieve it all.
Sure she manipulates your mind sometimes but...she gave you a happy too.

Blah.

Gray matter!!

[gin]

Deena is sort of a gray area if you go into the emotional aspects of it.
If you were one of her trainees, well she would be evil!

Its complicated because Richard loved her and in her way she loved Richard. She isn't seen doing any horrible things to anyone but Richard and she let Richard kill her (sure he would have done so anyway...).

I wonder - could it be the bad guys are these grey areas to help bad guys with claims?

Hmm I wonder why shota was evil. In the book...sure everyone is terrified of her, but...she said she wasn't evil and that it was about the way you percieve it all.
Sure she manipulates your mind sometimes but...she gave you a happy too.

See above

G & T

[Tam]

What if I am the Wizard Giller or someone else equally important?

OK, this is where I had to roleclaim. I pmed and asked specifically if I could just type it in anywhere, or had to name only me and was told that i had to say somewhere that i was the wizard giller, but didn't have to plainly write it out like "I am the Wizard Giller".

You know, the more I think on it, the more it has to be him. He also claimed he could protect someone as a night power, and I got that role last night. I will pm the mod one more time since i got no response when i asked if that was a mistake or what. I don't think it was any more, after rereading my role and realising there aren't any more people to be the 1st wizard. OK, here's a summary of my role pm...

It tells me that I am Wizard Giller. Then it says I am not as powerful as the first wizard, but i know some magic stuff, and that may be useful soon. Then only that I am good.

It isn't even 3 whole sentences. Two and a word.

Naturally, I assumed that this being the first wizard game or whatnot, that that was who i would replace. I only know for sure that I replaced someone because I asked and got told that yes, when i get night powers, i will be told.

I, for one, will be voting for melchizedek if his first post contains any more than 1 name in it. Period. If he's good, he's no reason to try and outdo the posting thing.

I wonder - could it be the bad guys are these grey areas to help bad guys with claims?

Too bad he didn't think about that when he claimed to be the first wizard.

[modargo]

For the record, I did investigate melchizedek last night. I got "good", but the rest of the message implied that I was not entirely sure about the result in a way completely different from how my other two "good" investigations had been.

How different?

I'll be as specific as I can without quoting. The messages I got for the two others who I found innocent (Flying Dutchman, willows_weep) were both unambiguous. They told me I used my Agiel to torture them and got an alignment confession (good in both cases). My investigation of Foolster told me that he originally claimed good, but I tortured him a bit more and he admitted he was evil. My investigation of melchizedek told me that he said he was good, but I didn't really believe him and tortured him more, but all he would say was that he was good and I couldn't do anything except believe him.

Now, moving on. Thank you Tam for giving more clarity regarding your role. This makes our situation even clearer to me. Knowing that your role does

not

actually say that the first wizard is in the game completely removes any basis for believing melchizedek. Funnily enough, if you had intentionally done that, I would congratulate you on lying effectively in service of the town .

I think it's pretty clear that if he includes more than a single rolename in his post, he's trying to avoid FDs ability. But honestly, even if he turns out to be able to just say "I am Zed", I still won't believe him. Everything else points in his directions, and good investigations don't mean much when the godfather is the last mafia out there.

Confirm vote: melchizedek

[Flying Dutchman]

Thanks for protecting me tonight Tam, I've survived another night because of it.

Because Tam was a replacement for Adie, we can not know for certain the first wizard is alive or even in the game, so the claim of Melchizedek could be true, and although I don't think I will believe him anyway, I will wait for him to show up and post.

[melchizedek]

I am Zeddicus Zul Zorander, the first wizard.

I got innocent for Modargo but whoever is left, even if it is not him, is probably the godfather, Darken Rahl. I would have expected that one of the mafia would be Demmin Nass and since he wasn't included it is possible that we still have two more mafia. If it is possible that Darken Rahl is immune from the confessor's powers, could Tam have claimed whoever she wanted in response to the touch. Of course it would be difficult for someone who had very little knowledge of the book to come up with such a coherent claim.

[modargo]

I am Zeddicus Zul Zorander, the first wizard.

I got innocent for Modargo but whoever is left, even if it is not him, is probably the godfather,

Darken Rahl

. I would have expected that one of the mafia would be Demmin Nass and since he wasn't included it is possible that we still have two more mafia. If it is possible that

Darken Rahl

is immune from the confessor's powers, could Tam have claimed whoever she wanted in response to the touch. Of course it would be difficult for someone who had very little knowledge of the book to come up with such a coherent claim.

I

recall

specifically asking that you include

no other rolenames

in your post. I

also

seem to remember a few others asking the thing. But honestly, I don't find it surprising that you didn't follow that suggestion. Scum.

But I guess it's

just coincidence

, as you just

happened

to not notice the parts of our posts where we asked you to not include any other rolenames. And you also, of course, felt the need to

specifically name

who you thought the godfather was, instead of just saying "the mafia godfather".

Yeah, you must have just

overlooked

all of that.

[melchizedek]

Well maybe I did. Of course, there is no way you would believe that now. Strange how the person most vehemently attacking me is also the person most likely to get lynched if I don't. Strange how the person you claim is a significant evil character throughout the novel. But I guess that must be a

coincidence

[Kerplunk]

Vote Count

melchizedek

: 1 (modargo)

4 to lynch.

[gin]

I'm happy enough to lynch melchizedek. Assuming one Godfather left we can afford one wrong lynch, but I don't think that's going to be the case.

Melchizedek, you deliberately avoided posting your role name in a clear format which is enough to make you guilty in my eyes. I'm sure you're either Demmin Nass or Darken Rahl.

Vote Melchizedek

G & T.

(I've given up on the mason letters now incidentally, doesn't seem much point after a claim)

[Flying Dutchman]

Vote: Melchizedek

I warned you.............