Mini 1580: EpicMafiaTime [GAME OVER]

[Squirrel Girl]

I have Mir, Boo, and Red as moderate town reads of varying levels.

[tn5421]

First of all, TN has the nerve to say I started this fight, and that he is the victim. Here is why that is not true.

Thanks for confirming scum.

[Natirasha]

Jury's out on the newbie.

I like Salamence in a lot of ways.

[tn5421]

173 isn't even a misrepresentation, it's an outright lie.

[Kthxbye]

First off, I didnt call anyone a retard, I quoted a movie using said quote to explain what I thought of your thoughts on my response to reds question. There is a difference. Not my problem if you dont see it.

Next, lets say I was actually soft claiming something. Why would anyone then try and lynch someone they thoughtwas soft claiming? Oh, scum would very much like that. Thus is reason why NVs hop onto me is scummy. Why SG is hopping on is yet to be seen but Im not too worried due to her taking over Jakes slot.

[tysker]

Hi guys.

Don't know what to think of the drama between sal, tn and mirhawk.

@sal

Why did you claim miller and then took it back afterwards?

@mirhawk

What's so scummy about claiming miller day one?

@bookitty

When did tn softdefend Mirhawk?

@Natirasha

Why are you voting for yourself?

Two of the questions are already answered in the thread, the other two aren't particularly hard-hitting, and there is no attempt at analyzing anything in the game at all. This is Peak Lack-of-Effort right here.

Those questions might have been answered, but not in a way that was evident to me. I'm not familiar with millers, so it wouldn't make sense for me to start analyzing this without clarification first. You said in 53 that it was accepted for millers to claim on day one and Jake wanted to lynch millers without looking any other way.
I read TN's ISO before asking bookitty about his softdefending. I didn't see anything, and I still don't. Maybe a new concept like invisible defending should be developed for this site?
Salamence explained his vote on Mirhawk in 173. The majority of your posts has been you *knowing* why Salamence voted Mirhawk. Was the reasoning behind the vote what you thought it was?

[tysker]

First off, I didnt call anyone a retard, I quoted a movie using said quote to explain what I thought of your thoughts on my response to reds question. There is a difference. Not my problem if you dont see it.

Next, lets say I was actually soft claiming something. Why would anyone then try and lynch someone they thoughtwas soft claiming? Oh, scum would very much like that. Thus is reason why NVs hop onto me is scummy. Why SG is hopping on is yet to be seen but Im not too worried due to her taking over Jakes slot.

It was a good quote from a great movie. Made me laugh. But in essence it was an ad hominem argument. You didn't address generics argument at all.

[Generic]

No, instead he/she is now attempting to deflect back suspicion on me.

My vote is in the right place. So far he/she has attempted to handwave me away, belittle my arguement without ever actually addressing the argument itself, insult me, and now attempt a deflection.

The fact that the post in question reads like someone hinting at an important role but never actually having to declare what (avoiding a counter) nor expressly saying they are actually a pr (allowing for a vanilla claim later if needed).

But that wifom shit tossed about by him/her isn't the main issue for me. It was the need to over explain something with every eventuality covered when put under pressure with a question. And the subsequent reaction to my vote and suspicion on them has been pathetic.

[Kthxbye]

Man, you reeealy want a claim outa me dont ya

[Haschel Cedricson]

Salamence explained his vote on Mirhawk in 173. The majority of your posts has been you *knowing* why Salamence voted Mirhawk. Was the reasoning behind the vote what you thought it was?

Absolutely. I came to the same conclusion and voted accordingly.

Phone posting on my break; be back around lunch.

[Generic]

Man, you reeealy want a claim outa me dont ya

Feel free to identify where I wanted that.

I don't need one, you are still trying to build straw men, you are scum.

[Squirrel Girl]

173 isn't even a misrepresentation, it's an outright lie.

It's more of a matter of opinion, really. It is hardly unreasonable for Sal to suggest that Jake started the fight - quite frankly, this is I think the...third time, I've been or seen a replace centered around Jake and his willingness to get into knock down drag out verbal brawls in thread. I'm willing to go out on a limb and suggest he had a fair share of the blame in this situation. I'll happily agree that Sal did too - I think it's silly of him to suggest he didn't, and, quite frankly, a couple of other players happily added to the fire. But to say Sal is lying for claiming Jake "started" it? I don't even see why, if he was scum, he'd choose to lie about that - what's it even matter? Was his master plot to force a ragequit or something?

FWhy SG is hopping on is yet to be seen but Im not too worried due to her taking over Jakes slot.

I'm hopping on you due to your Sal vote. I find it scummy and opportunistic.

[tn5421]

173 isn't even a misrepresentation, it's an outright lie.

It's more of a matter of opinion, really. It is hardly unreasonable for Sal to suggest that Jake started the fight - quite frankly, this is I think the...third time, I've been or seen a replace centered around Jake and his willingness to get into knock down drag out verbal brawls in thread. I'm willing to go out on a limb and suggest he had a fair share of the blame in this situation. I'll happily agree that Sal did too - I think it's silly of him to suggest he didn't, and, quite frankly, a couple of other players happily added to the fire. But to say Sal is lying for claiming Jake "started" it? I don't even see why, if he was scum, he'd choose to lie about that - what's it even matter? Was his master plot to force a ragequit or something?

FWhy SG is hopping on is yet to be seen but Im not too worried due to her taking over Jakes slot.

I'm hopping on you due to your Sal vote. I find it scummy and opportunistic.

I quoted the lie in 176. I think that Sal knew it would really piss off Jake, but perhaps not to that extent.

[Bookitty]

TN, do you generally subscribe to "Lynch all Liars" as a policy, or is it applied on a case-by-case basis for you?

[Salamence20]

VOTE: TN

Why I am scum according to TN:

This seems to be a new trend of people claiming 'serious votes' or 'rvs is over' on page one.

I'm inclined to take this player seriously based on previous experience with him.

From what I've seen of Salamence, he doesn't really care how scummy he looks.

My only experience with him is in an ongoing game.

I have a somewhat negative opinion of sal based on a current game.

Anyone see the common theme of these four posts, let's keep going.

How about lynch all liars. That's a great one and applies here.

I happen to agree.

VOTE: Salamence20

Bah Bah Black Sheep, are you a townie?
No sir no sir I am scum.

It is 50% Lynch All Liars, 50% "Personal Attacks Aren't Okay".

50% Policy on the fact I lied in RVS
50% Policy because only scum do personal attacks.

Also, by saying that, you must believe this was faked.

JAKE IF I REPLACED OUT WOULD MY REPLACEMENT BE SCUM TOO?

NO BECAUSE HE IS NOT ME?

JESUS CHRIST PLAY THE FUCKING GAME AND GET YOUR HEAD OUT OF YOUR ASS. EVEN WITH A SCUMREAD ON ME THERE ARE OTHER THINGS TO DO THAN "OH SAL IS SCUM SCUM SCUM AND I REFUSE TO DO ANYTHING ELSE UNTIL HE IS LOLLYNCHED BECAUSE HE IS LYING AND SCUMMING AND MILLER"

SHUT THE FUCK UP

It's not.

[Salamence20]

Thus is reason why NVs hop onto me is scummy. Why SG is hopping on is yet to be seen but Im not too worried due to her taking over Jakes slot.

But you should have a problem with this, because as you see by your last post, you were perfectly fine sheeping Jake. But now Jake is gone and his replacement performed a 180 and voted you.

You should be worried now because you can't sheep your "One Scumread". You should... idk... read the game and provide some info instead of breadcrumbing/softclaiming and calling people retards.

[Salamence20]

I have Mir, Boo, and Red as moderate town reads of varying levels.

I apologize for not seeing Mir in this group.

[tn5421]

TN, do you generally subscribe to "Lynch all Liars" as a policy, or is it applied on a case-by-case basis for you?

Any lies within the context of the game that are not rvs is a policy 'lynch all liars' vote from me.

[Haschel Cedricson]

Unvote; Vote: tn5421

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Ironically, your last post is a lie.

[RedCoyote]

I don't particularly feel good about not voting. He took a fairly safe position and followed it up by telling most most of the active posters he found them town.

Why, immediately after saying this, did you unvote and not vote him?

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It is 50% Lynch All Liars, 50% "Personal Attacks Aren't Okay".

lolwut

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the accusation of question-dodging forced a quick response, and a quick response is always better than one that has a lot of time to be written.

I don't like it. It feels like strongarm tactics. I also don't like how you specifically told him you wanted to think over a point, which implies that he should take the time to consider and formulate a response, and then hit him over not rushing to answer without thinking.

Unrelatedly, I do like your point against tysker.

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I mean, I don't think he expected that alone to get a lynch, at best it was an excuse to get on, and I don't think he needed to lie, at that stage of the game, to get on a wagon or pressure someone. Not calling HC town - but unsold by the case.

I appreciate this thoughtful response. I'll take your opinion into consideration as I continue to read the game.

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Jury's out on the newbie.

Generic?

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I think that Sal knew it would really piss off Jake, but perhaps not to that extent.

Since when does trying to provoke someone make you scum? I find it to be a very effective scumhunting tactic if used properly.

[Haschel Cedricson]

the accusation of question-dodging forced a quick response, and a quick response is always better than one that has a lot of time to be written.

I don't like it. It feels like strongarm tactics. I also don't like how you specifically told him you wanted to think over a point, which implies that he should take the time to consider and formulate a response, and then hit him over not rushing to answer without thinking.

It's absolutely strongarm tactics. I'm a big fan.

And yeah, I wanted him to think about it, but I wanted him to think about it RIGHT NOW*. I don't like giving scum time to rehearse their story.




*RIGHT THEN

[Mirhawk]

Why, immediately after saying this, did you unvote and not vote him?

I'd rather hear his response first.
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Lynch all liars is rather bad to hold as a hard rule. It doesn't allow for gambits and often leads to lynching town (because lets face it, townies lie too). Not to mention the lie in question is subjective in that it can be seen different ways by different people.
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@Tsyker
Do you feel that Generics argument has merit?

[Squirrel Girl]

Since when does trying to provoke someone make you scum? I find it to be a very effective scumhunting tactic if used properly.

To argue TN's side - if that's what Sal was about, now that the player in question has *been replaced* he ought to be honest about it, so in that case it would be a lie. And, also, in that case, it would be a lie I'd be willing to lynch Sal over.

Also, could you explain TN's lie? I'm missing it - do you know something I don't about his policy on liars?

I think Sal and Jake have issue with each other because they're so similar. I wish Sal would stop making everything an attack on him and pop a few peanuts and chill so I could get a read I was happy with. I'm even voting people based off their move onto him, and I'm almost tempted to vote him just to poke the bear some more.

@Sal - what is your read on Bookitty? I'd love to get a read from you hat didn't involve a player that was directly interacting/attacking you already. You feel a little too tunnely for this stage of the game. Let's save the tunnels for the second half of Day 1, or for Day 3 when they're at least funny.

I am not opposed to the move onto TN. I'm just having a hard time reading the slot. I think I would prefer some more votes on Kthnxbye though, he's been decently objectiely scummy, so I'm not sure why more people aren't willing to pressure him.

[tn5421]

Salamence claimed miller, which, by his own admission, was intended to start a fight with Jake. Later on he makes 173 trying to say that he wasn't the person that started the fight.

[Mirhawk]

So? That's not really indicative of anything aside from him being a bit of a douche.