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Post Post #175 (ISO) » Tue Jan 08, 2008 4:09 am

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Is this your case against me? I hope not, because this is really pitiful:
Sarc wrote:Off the Mark is scum. He random-voted QuickBen and then accused me of "hiding behind role-playing nonsense" when I random-voted him. Now he's switching his vote to kr4mer for pretty much no reason. Why is it the scummiest thing we have to go on, Off the Mark? Explain how on earth making theme-related jokes is scummy. I've been doing it all game, so am I not scummier than kr4mer?
A random vote is a reason? I explained the hiding behind role playing, I still think that is valid for possible scumminess. Kramer's joining in on suspicion of me and roleplaying seemed scummy - like going with the crowd seems scummy. Seriously, this is why you've been so militant against me? You're ruining this game with this stupid crusade of yours which is based on nothing.
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Post Post #176 (ISO) » Tue Jan 08, 2008 4:22 am

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tyhess wrote:I'm trying to figure out if theres some role sarcastro could have that would let him wins if he's lynched, but I can't find anything on the rule page, so I doubt it....
This post is fishy. Throwing out the ideas of weird roles when the rules and roles have been clearly defined... trying to add confusion to the game. Fishy.
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Post Post #177 (ISO) » Tue Jan 08, 2008 4:35 am

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Off the Mark wrote:Is this your case against me? I hope not, because this is really pitiful:
Sarc wrote:Off the Mark is scum. He random-voted QuickBen and then accused me of "hiding behind role-playing nonsense" when I random-voted him. Now he's switching his vote to kr4mer for pretty much no reason. Why is it the scummiest thing we have to go on, Off the Mark? Explain how on earth making theme-related jokes is scummy. I've been doing it all game, so am I not scummier than kr4mer?
A random vote is a reason? I explained the hiding behind role playing, I still think that is valid for possible scumminess. Kramer's joining in on suspicion of me and roleplaying seemed scummy - like going with the crowd seems scummy. Seriously, this is why you've been so militant against me? You're ruining this game with this stupid crusade of yours which is based on nothing.
Well no, in that post he doesnt just state you random voted. Correction, He's ruining the game for you as you are the one he finds scummy. Theres multiple solutions to that... can you work them out?
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Post Post #178 (ISO) » Tue Jan 08, 2008 5:03 am

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Expect an analysis/suspicions post later today.
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Post Post #179 (ISO) » Tue Jan 08, 2008 5:05 am

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Correction, He's ruining the game for you as you are the one he finds scummy.
No, that's not what I said. Your cynicism is also unhelpful.
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Post Post #180 (ISO) » Tue Jan 08, 2008 5:11 am

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No I know thats not what you said but really its what you meant. I enjoyed reading and for the couple of days I have been in this game I have enjoyed it. No Sarc thread ruining for me.
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Post Post #181 (ISO) » Tue Jan 08, 2008 6:28 pm

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Okay. To be honest, there isn't much to comment on in this game... About OTM:

Any reasons, Sarcastro? Or are you going to continue hiding behind role-playing nonsense?
and
I'm voting for Kramer for latching on to Sarcastro's roleplaying style and hopping on my bandwagon for no reason whatsoever. It's not much, but it's the scummiest thing we have to go on so far.
are both kind of scummy in my opinion... First of all, Sarc's first vote was clearly not serious to the extent that it deserved an explanation, so the first post is bizarre. Secondly, the in-character thing was so obviously entertainment. Your votes seemed pretty serious to me. You should have voted Sarc, whom you found scummy originally.
Actually, thinking a little more about this... the remaining scum is all alone, so he's probably going to try to keep a low profile. Therefore it is unlikely to be Sarcastro.
Your vote-hopping is a bit much. This post, because it came right after your vote for Sarc, seemed to me to be an attempt to lay low, or avoid having to commit to anything. You seem to be working for the low profile that scum would obviously have, according to you.
I think you're the one with reading comprehension issues here. I didn't vote for you because you random voted me. You never even said you random voted me. You acted like you had valid reasons all along.
lol. This is clearly wrong.
Who died and made you boss? What in holy hell does that order matter? I am heavily leaning towards voting for you unless you have a reasonable explanation.
I don't like this at all.
vote: kr4mer
What I like about this is that you have attacked Sarc and QuickBen since your last vote (on Sarc), but haven't really mentioned kr4mer and offer no explanation for this.

There is nothing else of note about OTM.

Sarc has been militant (in character? Or just Sarc?) but apart from the eagerness early day 2, it hasn't been unjustified. Tyhess went through a period of temporary insanity and OTM has never redeemed himself. Tyhess has been acting bizarrely, and MissMoo/aioqwe/Porochaz/myself haven't been involved in the cross-fire as much (meaning harder to get a read on them).

Given the slowness of the day and the fact that I convinced myself that OTM has a good chance of being scum, I feel inclined to drop the hammer. I'll wait until other people (preferably OTM) comment/defend/attack though.
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Post Post #182 (ISO) » Wed Jan 09, 2008 4:08 am

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Lame. I am town. I'm not wasting any more effort on this game.
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Post Post #183 (ISO) » Wed Jan 09, 2008 4:13 am

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vote Panzer if you have any sense at all - Phate's recent defense of Panzer strikes me as suspicious too, but I feel much more sure of Panzer or SensFan's scumminess.
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Post Post #184 (ISO) » Wed Jan 09, 2008 4:14 am

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lol whoops - posted that in the wrong game. Ignore. I have nothing to say about this one.
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Post Post #185 (ISO) » Wed Jan 09, 2008 5:22 am

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Prodding aioqwe and MissMoo, each of which hasn't posted in four days. If either of them does not post before day ends on Friday, that person will be replaced.
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Post Post #186 (ISO) » Wed Jan 09, 2008 5:53 am

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Post Post #187 (ISO) » Wed Jan 09, 2008 10:19 am

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mikeburnfire replaces MissMoo, effective immediately.
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Post Post #188 (ISO) » Wed Jan 09, 2008 11:22 am

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Aegor, you seem to read Sarc's posts with the roleplaying style and automatically assume that everything said within is a joke. I don't read it that way and I don't think Sarc intended it to be read that way.

He voted for me and he asked for others to vote for me without providing any reasons. So I asked him if he has any reasons, so we would have
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to discuss, and you are calling my request "bizarre". I don't get that. I did not assume that everything Sarc said while roleplaying was a joke and you shouldn't either if you want to understand my posts.
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Post Post #189 (ISO) » Wed Jan 09, 2008 11:43 am

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I don't want to speak for Aegor, but I think I can safely say that he didn't think everything I've said is a "joke".

OtM, stop mischaracterising me. I
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provide reasons for voting for you. Please stop saying that I didn't. It's simply not true. If you want to argue against my reasons or that my reasons are insufficient, fine, do so. But stop acting like I'm some crazy person who's randomly selected you to go after and mind-controlled other people into agreeing with me. I have reasons. I have told you most of the reasons. I continue to gain more reasons every time you desperately try to act like I'm crazy and evil.

What happened to not wasting effort on this game?
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Post Post #190 (ISO) » Wed Jan 09, 2008 11:47 am

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Aegor, you seem to read Sarc's posts with the roleplaying style and automatically assume that everything said within is a joke. I don't read it that way and I don't think Sarc intended it to be read that way.
You hadn't responded to any of his posts before he started speaking in character. What reason could you possibly have had for voting you? None. It was clearly a joke. I still don't see what could possibly compel you to believe that it was anything other than that.

In addition, he convinced others to vote for you
after
he said (very clearly) that he was no longer in role. He explained the reasons, and just because you don't like them doesn't mean that they are necessarily wrong. At that point (and at this one), you are one of the scummiest people.
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Post Post #191 (ISO) » Thu Jan 10, 2008 2:49 am

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sites been acting funny but mehh...

prods are awfully painful... maybe I'm just weak...
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Post Post #192 (ISO) » Thu Jan 10, 2008 3:05 am

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The thing that might be bothering me is OtM going off and attacking the only person agreeing with him... not much else to comment on...
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Post Post #193 (ISO) » Thu Jan 10, 2008 6:09 am

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Hey folks! I enjoy replacing into games, especially when almost half the players are dead before page 8. Less pressure on me, ya know?

The way I've seen it so far, there's this battle between OTM and Sarc. I've seen the way they play. It doesn't surprise me that Sarc is being aggressive, and I'm not surprised that OTM is on the defense again. It must be his play style.

For the most part, qiwi, chaz, and aegor seem to have taken Sarc's side. Tyhess and MissMoo were on OTM's side. I've replaced MissMoo and agree that I can't see the case against OTM.

Now, Sarc and OTM are the most prolific players. Even though OTM said he wasn't going to waste any more time on this game, he will because it's not over yet. I think Sarc is too narrow-minded, though. I'll review his posts, but I don't think he has any concrete evidence against OTM, and likewise vice-versa. I don't want to kill Tyhess either. I find his defense of OTM when nobody else would interesting. I feel that Akiwi hasn't been very useful though. She's just been going with the flow and bandwagoning OTM, but distinctly on a lighter scale, so that she can't be called on it.

For now,
unvote, vote Aioqwe
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Post Post #194 (ISO) » Thu Jan 10, 2008 7:25 pm

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Ah, the deadline is tomorrow, and I'll likely be gone. I don't think I can shift enough support onto Aikiwi's lynch, but I don't think we should lynch OTM. That is why I am going to
unvote, vote: Sarcastro


I didn't really want to do this cuz Sarc is a cool guy, but between him and OTM I prefer he die. And according to the rules, he will be lynched unless somebody unvotes him or votes OTM before the deadline.
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Post Post #195 (ISO) » Thu Jan 10, 2008 9:42 pm

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I am fully willing to lynch Aioqwe as a compromise.

Also,
everybody
who is not voting right now had better show up and at least say something.

Also, MBF, why don't you want to lynch OtM?
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Post Post #196 (ISO) » Thu Jan 10, 2008 11:18 pm

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does the bird make me look feminine?

If I want to go with the flow for a bandwagon I would go ahead and vote sarc right now... But meh...

chaz and aegor can vote to show their convictions.
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Post Post #197 (ISO) » Fri Jan 11, 2008 5:12 am

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OTM wrote:Wow that was incredibly lucky sensfan. Kudos to you, but I can't believe you would choose to suicude bomb on night 1. LOL, what an insane beginning. Glork's probably ticked that this game is kinda frigged up now.

OK, should be pretty easy for the town to win at this point. Let's start the lynch mobs.

vote: QuickBen
You've been going after OTM ever since this post, Sarc. While congratulating a pro-town role on a successful night action is a scum tell, that's about all I've seen for reasons to vote OTM. Everything else I've seen since then that you've considered scummy I feel is just his playstyle.

Now mind you, I really don't want to lynch either of you. I have a feeling that you are both town. But the fact that you haven't looked into considering anybody else to be scum, combined with the fact that you hammahed QuickBen without giving your suspicions on him (modified quotes don't count) place you higher on my suspicions list than OTM.

And my appologies, aioqwe. I just made the connection that Aioqwe = A Kiwi = A cute small bird = Female
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Post Post #198 (ISO) » Fri Jan 11, 2008 8:24 am

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mbf wrote:While congratulating a pro-town role on a successful night action is a scum tell
Really? Never heard that one before. Is that in the wiki? I refuse to read the wiki, as I believe its existence hurts the game. The last thing mafia needs is a reference list of universal scumtells. It changes the game too much - especially for newbs. I haven't read it and I don't plan to.
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Post Post #199 (ISO) » Fri Jan 11, 2008 9:12 am

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MBF, hammering QuickBen is clearly not a scumtell. And I have looked at other people. I find Tyhess rather scummy. Should we lynch Tyhess instead? I'd be fine with that. Normally I might not even mind being lynched, since I have confidence that
eventually
you guys will realise that OtM is scum, but given the mechanics, I'd really rather not win the game for the town and yet lose myself.
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