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In post 174, Accountant wrote:

In post 145, WeCanSimplyBeOurselves wrote:

In post 140, Transcend wrote:u do realize

that the inactive players may not even be aware this game is a thing right now

just wait for them to get replaced, tunneling inactives is a very bad and useless idea.

Yes I'm aware that the inactive players may not even be aware this game is a thing right now. Yes tunnelling inactives is a bad idea if they're not aware it's a thing and they're going to get replaced.

You are assuming, however, that they're not lurking intentionally. Pressure voting the less active players so they actually post so we can read them is a good way for town to defend itself against scum lurkers.

You say you want to apply pressure against the active lurkers, but other than generic calls to lynch the lurkers and planting your vote on Norska you haven't actually pushed any wagons or done anything to get people on board and exert more pressure. Are you just applying pressure for the sake of wanting to apply pressure, or do you actually care about making them feel fear?

I was hoping people would join me, it appears I'm the only one who thinks pressure voting the active lurkers is a good idea.

I do want to make them feel fear. And I do care. It looks like no one agrees with me though.

At this point I'm thinking transcend seems scummy to my gut.

VOTE: Transcend

Transcend is a townlean for me at the moment, so you'll need to provide reasoning if you want me to get on board.

In post 176, WeCanSimplyBeOurselves wrote: I was hoping people would join me, it appears I'm the only one who thinks pressure voting the active lurkers is a good idea.

I do want to make them feel fear. And I do care. It looks like no one agrees with me though.

At this point I'm thinking transcend seems scummy to my gut.

VOTE: Transcend

In post 177, Accountant wrote:Transcend is a townlean for me at the moment, so you'll need to provide reasoning if you want me to get on board.

Just want to add Transcend is certainly NOT a lurker. Is pressuring the active lurkers suddenly a less good idea when no one joins you?

Be honest now, are you trying to deflect the Charloux wagon?

^ was wondering the same thing, that vote on me was pretty bad ^

In post 178, Morning Tweet wrote:

In post 176, WeCanSimplyBeOurselves wrote: I was hoping people would join me, it appears I'm the only one who thinks pressure voting the active lurkers is a good idea.

I do want to make them feel fear. And I do care. It looks like no one agrees with me though.

At this point I'm thinking transcend seems scummy to my gut.

VOTE: Transcend

In post 177, Accountant wrote:Transcend is a townlean for me at the moment, so you'll need to provide reasoning if you want me to get on board.

Just want to add Transcend is certainly NOT a lurker. Is pressuring the active lurkers suddenly a less good idea when no one joins you?

Be honest now, are you trying to deflect the Charloux wagon?

Well partially yes, honestly, I am because along with Accountant, Charloux is one of my townie reads.

Yes of course pressuring the active lurkers is suddenly a less good idea when no one joins me. It's pointless for me to pressure vote someone by myself. That's not pressure.

I'm gonna go back and show you the post of Transcend's that I found scummy. I'm not sure why I find it scummy I just get a scummy vibe from it from my gut. Brb.

In post 171, Transcend wrote:Okay guys time for a reads list from me, I post them fairly frequently, They help me out quite a bit to organize my thoughts. The higher tier a player is in, the more likely I think they are to be town.

RN I'ma rock n roll with something like this:

{thatsit}
{Accountant, Morning Tweet, Manuel87}
{MisaTange}
{NorskaBlue, WeCantBeOurselves}
{Charloux}

Here you go. Vibe isn't genuine to me. Dunno why.

So you admit to deflecting Charloux's wagon, yet don't know why you find this readlist scummy

In post 171, Transcend wrote:The higher tier a player is in, the more likely I think they are to be town.

{thatsit}
{Accountant, Morning Tweet, Manuel87}
{MisaTange}
{NorskaBlue, WeCantBeOurselves}

{Charloux}

Or perhaps there's a different reason Transcend's reads don't feel genuine to you?

In post 180, WeCanSimplyBeOurselves wrote:It's pointless for me to pressure vote someone by myself. That's not pressure.

You can pressure someone by yourself. Calling out logical inconsistencies, putting them under the microscope and making sure they can't get away with anything - the same thing I did with Charloux, basically. If you're really interested in pressuring Norska, shouldn't you have questioned them, interrogated them to make them incriminate themselves or try to convince others that they're active lurking and should be lynched? Heck, I didn't even see you bring up active lurking until recently.

Why is Charloux a townread, WCS?

It's all by gut. I said that I felt like you and Char were two townies going at each other.

I would question people but in my experience of playing Mafia I just get ignored so I prefer to watch for reactions and go by gut. If I think of any argument I'll give one but I'd need to see a scum slip or have sort of actual objective argument.

Anyway I'm 3 hours 12 minutes past my bedtime. I'm going to bed now.

This always happens. I just speak my mind and tell the truth and people doubt me because I don't play like most people do and because I'm verbose. I'm just me. I'm doing my best guys. Apologies to town if I'm not helping much. I'm trying my best. This is how I play.

Goodnight.

WeCanSimplyBeOurselves wrote:I would question people but in my experience of playing Mafia I just get ignored

You're not actively going after your scumreads because.. you think they'll ignore you? I'm not buying it.

WeCanSimplyBeOurselves wrote:

This always happens.

I just speak my mind and tell the truth and people doubt me because I don't play like most people do and because I'm verbose. I'm just me. I'm doing my best guys. Apologies to town if I'm not helping much. I'm trying my best. This is how I play.

What always happens?

WCS, here is a question for you.

You have two people that you'd like to lynch: Transcend and Norska. For Transcend, the reasoning is due to your gut. For Norska, it's because they're active lurking. Wouldn't it make a lot more sense to vote Norska than Transcend here? After all, you have actual reasoning for your Norska lynch so it's way more likely that people will follow you onto it. If you moved off Norska because you felt people wouldn't join you, then it makes no sense to move Transcend, who is even worse in terms of "will people join you on this wagon", since he's townread by a few people and you have no reasoning except gut. Not only that, you're saying that you trust your gut more than your reasoning regarding Norska. Is that true?

In post 168, Transcend wrote:Alright Manuel
Let's be power town again
However, this time, let's win.
Wcsbo deteriorating in my town reads.
Thatsit is town btw.

Ok but please no selfvote this time.
Why do you think Thatsit is town?

@MorningTweet: In case Wcsbo is scum which one do you think is more likely town!Charloux oder scum!Charloux?

WCSBO's mystery townread and defense of Charloux is definitely something that interests me. His recent behaviour (such as mystery gut scum read on Transcend) is not helping him, either.

If WSC were to flip scum, it's hard to imagine a universe where Char isn't scum. I don't think scum!WSC would defend an incredibly scummy (at least to many of the townies) town!Char and unconvincingly try to direct attention to Transcend. Perhaps I'm being played, but I doubt it.

May I ask, out of curiosity, why this intrigues you?

I disagree. I think WCS flipping scum would indicate town!Charloux. That's because I have a hard time believing that scum!WCS trying to defend his partner by deflecting the wagon off him would admit it and say that he was trying to deflect the wagon and claim to have a townread on him. I would expect WCS to deny and justify it in some other way if that was the case. I think that scum!WCS defending an incredibly scummy town!Charloux in an unconvincing manner makes perfect sense - he wants us to brush him off, lynch Charloux, wait for her to flip town and then go "see, guys? I told you, but you didn't listen!" which makes him look really good after the flip while also getting his mislynch to happen - a mislynch that would not be associated with him in any way.

In post 190, Accountant wrote:I disagree. I think WCS flipping scum would indicate town!Charloux. That's because I have a hard time believing that scum!WCS trying to defend his partner by deflecting the wagon off him would

ever

admit it and say that he was trying to deflect the wagon and claim to have a townread on him. I would expect WCS to deny and justify it in some other way if that was the case. I think that scum!WCS defending an incredibly scummy town!Charloux in an unconvincing manner makes perfect sense - he wants us to brush him off, lynch Charloux, wait for her to flip town and then go "see, guys? I told you, but you didn't listen!" which makes him look really good after the flip while also getting his mislynch to happen - a mislynch that would not be associated with him in any way.

I have no problem with the possibility of WCS openly defending his scumbuddy, which I suppose is why we view this differently.

His unconvincing manner is just that, unconvincing. When the time comes and town!Char flips, I'm going to be wondering WCS just knew he was town. Oh really, your gut told you so? In a char!town world I wouldn't immediately scumread WCS, however I certainly wouldn't give him any townpoints for being right.

But even if you dismiss that possibility you can't deny that there are reasons for scum!WCS to defend town!Char, right? So if WCS flips scum you shouldn't instalynch Char.

Although I just realized that I've fallen into the trap of thinking about who's scum/town if X flips scum/town. This is called pre-flip association, and we should probably avoid engaging in it because it tends to be a house of cards, as well as a waste of time. For example, if I spend too much time talking about Charloux in the event that WCS flips scum, that's worthless if WCS flips town. It would be far better to wait until WCS actually flips, and then talk about who's scum or town based on that.

Instead, let's refocus on Charloux. WCS, you've stated a gut town read on Charloux. Do you think your gut town read outweighs the scummy activity that the rest of us have pointed out?

In post 190, Accountant wrote:I disagree. I think WCS flipping scum would indicate town!Charloux. That's because I have a hard time believing that scum!WCS trying to defend his partner by deflecting the wagon off him would

ever

admit it and say that he was trying to deflect the wagon and claim to have a townread on him. I would expect WCS to deny and justify it in some other way if that was the case. I think that scum!WCS defending an incredibly scummy town!Charloux in an unconvincing manner makes perfect sense - he wants us to brush him off, lynch Charloux, wait for her to flip town and then go "see, guys? I told you, but you didn't listen!" which makes him look really good after the flip while also getting his mislynch to happen - a mislynch that would not be associated with him in any way.

QFT.

I'm just not sure if WCS has a really bad read or is scum defending town.

Here's the concern I have. If WCS just has a bad read, it'd have to be a pretty hard bad read. Like, he's so certain Char is town that he's willing to ignore all the evidence against Char. I really want to know why he has such a hard read if, as he says, it's all based on . I know players who have faith in their gut, but WCS doesn't strike me as that kind of person, and even those players wouldn't take it to this extent.

I agree with Accountant.
Thats also the reason why i asked you the question because i expected the answer you gave.
I think in case WCS flips scum its more likely that Charloux is town.
Defending pressured town as scum can also make them townread you for helping them.

VOTE: WeCanSimplyBeOurselves ???

Like I really want explanation on the Charloux townread that isn't based on gut. Because it looks like manipiulation. Also the vote on me just looks unwarranted.

I am being voted by Accountant and many sheep's. But at least one sheep is a wolf and i'll try and find him.
Town read on Accountant, townlean on Transcend, WCSBO is null(Not sure what his motivation is). The rest are scumleans, and will have to reread them