Newbie 1773 - Roosters (Post-Game)

[Lighthaze1135]

{gigabyteTroubadour}
{Lighthaze, Accountant}
{Loopdan, Woodboys, AceQueen}
{TesXX, AjTheEpic}

Reasonings:
gigabyte: Not much to say here.
Lighthaze: I did say earlier that Light was being pretty scummy but I realized that it was pretty impulsive I said this in 122 I think(?) - either way I did doublepost and say that the wagon was pretty bad. Dummy not scummy IMHO
Accountant: Slight TR.
Loopdan: I can see the thought process behind the Light wagon but I don't think it's right. I'd like to hear more from him, but at the very least he has been poking around. I could see him in the tier below this, though.
AceQueen: I initially harped on her quite a bit for not being completely open to sharing her opinion, but then I realized that it was more or less just uncertainty rather than wanting to conceal one's opinion.
Woodboys: Yeah I think what he's said has made a lot of sense considering his background, but I want to know his current opinion on Tes.
Aj: Educating and playing aren't mutually exclusive things, but you're treating it as if they were. I don't see why you have to dedicate so much time to coaching and directing people when you could just be formulating your own opinions. I haven't seen much out of you, and, call it what you want, I don't see much if any justification for your vote on me.
Tes: He got to L-1 and then...just went back into the shadows. You'd think that a newb townie would step up to the plate whenever they're one vote from getting hammered, but as far as I can see, that's not happening with Tes.
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I did this super quickly; if I had all the time in the world I'd certainly make this more detailed. I'm going to try and elaborate more on the Aj and Tes, possibly Loopdan issues tomorrow, and I'd be happy to elaborate on anything vague.

thank you, what does the order of names mean for you

[Falco XV]

And your vote is...?

VOTE: VOTE: TesXX

nsidering his background, but I want to know his current opinion on Tes.

Will reply in morning

no rush dw

[Falco XV]

EBWOP VOTE: TesXX

[Lighthaze1135]

L-1 on TesXX i believe

[Lighthaze1135]

no one hammer TesXX yet, we still everyone else's opinion. i got falco's list, and we need to have town decide actions

[Lighthaze1135]

If you are listing, please use this order
townread
slight townread
slight scumread
scumread

[Falco XV]

L-1 on TesXX i believe

oh shit - thanks dude

no one hammer TesXX yet, we still everyone else's opinion. i got falco's list, and we need to have town decide actions

sounds good

[Lighthaze1135]

@tesXX, care to claim?

[Accountant]

think of it as reverse phycology, claiming jester and wanting to be lynched. I dont think anyone would lynch Tes for a role that didnt exist, making them "townish"

I have an issue with this reasoning. Your theory is that Tes is scum attempting to gain fake towncred by claiming Jester - but I don't see how he gets towncred from this. Although nobody would lynch Tes for a role that does not exist, nobody would consider him town for it either - agree? In this case, why would scum!Tes think that people would townread him for the Jester claim? Indeed, drawing attention is more likely to attract votes and a trollish playstyle is more likely to be perceived as scummy.

[Accountant]

My question is, why waste time and space and confuse over half the participants by going after Accountant or Loopdan when I'm pretty sure Accountant is town?

Could yoh talk to me more about how and why your mindset shifted from jokingly talking about mutiny to listing me as a townread?

[Accountant]

You said earlier you're pretty sure Falco and I are a team due to falco's questions, but this:

[snip]

Doesn't come from a partner.

I am not an intelligent person. Explain to me in baby terms why it doesn't? After all, it seems pretty easy to fake to me.

[Accountant]

I mean I'm not against scumhunting, I'm more or less opposed to what's coming out of it though.

What is the bad thing that has resulted from the early game scumhunting?

[Accountant]

can everyone list srs and trs now, i want to list this

^ Anyone who has their vote on Light needs to take it off ASAP, by the way. Scum!Lighthaze has no reason to do this(clearly not the sort of newbscum who wants to gauge the waters before deciding which way to push, and that's the only scum motive I can think of for this), and this feels strongly of newbtown who is legitimately trying to get a feel for people and sort them out.

[Accountant]

Re:Falco vote, mehhhh I kinda wanted to go after Woodboy but not only is there no support there (aka vanity wagon), the reason I want to pursue is also a bit cold.

Reasoning behind you voting woodboy is cold. Falco's reasoning is not cold. Why do you prefer wood to falco?

[Accountant]

@tesXX, care to claim?

Generally claims happen when there is declared intent to hammer.

Reads list:

[Accountant] - me
[Lighthaze] - obvtown
[gigabyte] - townlean
[TesXX, Loopdan, woodboys, AceQueen] - null
[Aj] - nullscum
[Falco] - scumlean

[Accountant]

Lighthaze: I did say earlier that Light was being pretty scummy but I realized that it was pretty impulsive I said this in 122 I think(?) - either way I did doublepost and say that the wagon was pretty bad. Dummy not scummy IMHO

Why is Lighthaze dummy town and not dummy scum?

[Accountant]

Tes: He got to L-1 and then...just went back into the shadows. You'd think that a newb townie would step up to the plate whenever they're one vote from getting hammered, but as far as I can see, that's not happening with Tes.

Why would Tes do this as scum? Do you think he is the type of scum to lurk? (But then why draw attention off the bat?) Do you think that as scum, he would care less about his life, and therefore not step up to the plate at L-1?

[Lighthaze1135]

Wait, I'm confused. Am I being scumread for trying to get reads for the game

[Aj The Epic]

My question is, why waste time and space and confuse over half the participants by going after Accountant or Loopdan when I'm pretty sure Accountant is town?

Could yoh talk to me more about how and why your mindset shifted from jokingly talking about mutiny to listing me as a townread?

The first mistake here is implying there was a mindset change. I was never scumreading you, it was an RVS vote.

You said earlier you're pretty sure Falco and I are a team due to falco's questions, but this:

[snip]

Doesn't come from a partner.

I am not an intelligent person. Explain to me in baby terms why it doesn't? After all, it seems pretty easy to fake to me.

The main thing about it is if we were a team, it comes off like coaching. Falco's almost encouraging me to make a post and is fence-sitting an actual read on it. There's about 0 reason to try and coach the more experienced mafia buddy.

Re:Falco vote, mehhhh I kinda wanted to go after Woodboy but not only is there no support there (aka vanity wagon), the reason I want to pursue is also a bit cold.

Reasoning behind you voting woodboy is cold. Falco's reasoning is not cold. Why do you prefer wood to falco?

Because his thought process Re:TesXX was in no way natural.

[gigabyteTroubadour]

aj i think your response walls would be easier to parse if you used post tags - mostly because i'm not sure what specific points you are referring to (the REs help but some points it's a big vague). gonna respond to it in a bit dw

i don't see a newbie "coaching" (reads more like "HEY DO SOMETHING" than coaching to me, coaching implies giving strategic advice when I think of it?) as completely out of the question, i would think newb!scum would want to lean on their more experienced partner and if they're playing under expectations then concern makes sense as the natural response

i want to see a VC pretty soon too now that we have some votes coming out

[gigabyteTroubadour]

RE the loopdan point: again loopdan really should have just explained it, R2R games are also about setting examples for what good play looks like and answering questions directed at other people generally is not helpful

RE the IC point: fair, but what does that have to do with answering the question that loopdan was asked for him?

unsure if the other two things are directed at me?

[gigabyteTroubadour]

i thought there was more lol

pretty content with how things've been advancing, i want woodboys to develop reads or at least see where his readlist is rn if he has one. same with acequeen and tes

[Aj The Epic]

The acequeen one was, but I wasn't sure what you were trying to say about Acequeen as it relates to falco.

The IC point is for my playstyle, not Loopdan's.

[gigabyteTroubadour]

The IC point is for my playstyle, not Loopdan's.

correct me if i'm wrong but the conversation went:

"hey you shouldn't answer a question directed at loopdan for him that's anti-town"

"i don't want to turn the game into follow-the-SEs-and-ICs"

"ok fair but what does that have to do with anything?"

am i missing something or

[gigabyteTroubadour]

Re:Acequeen and her actions, I'm not entirely sure what you're saying here. She DID vote for your slot, but... it doesn't really have much to do with Falco, who went after Ace for a conversation she was having with Loopdan.

ok is this in reference to 167 or 165?