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you know, i considered not saying anything yesterday and letting wisdom do what he wants with his plan (because i knew going against it would probably get him to scum read me)

but i also knew that he would be scum-reading me because he's wrong about his assumptions in g2, so i just bit the bullet and did it anyway

when given the choice, i'd prefer to play like i would as town over doing i'd never do as town to avoid being scumread by someone

from a theory perspective, this setup is really interesting (made more interesting by kokichi's fake-claim). perhaps sensor is a bit too overpowered in a setup like this, but it would be interesting to see this run again with slight variations in roles or whatever

In post 962, Wisdom wrote:that's the mindset of newbies who come from epicmafia or whatever crapsite
it shouldnt be yours
we have reads, we have actions we can use to make use of them

this game is another in a very long list of games where people disregard optimal play (which dram is right about) in favour of believing reads trump everything

the thing here is that while reads are important in making decisions in a game (and i value reads a lot), when there's an obvious mechanical choice on the table (and there are no scenarios where it can go wrong), you do that over making assumptions that MAY be completely wrong

i can see the point in thinking "well, if i'm right about my reads, then this is the better play!" but the flip-side is that if you're wrong then you screw town over badly

for example, let's say i swap pine or something today... you're staring at an all town lynch if town lynches group 3 and then town has to figure out whether koki is lying, whether wisdom was scum manipulating things or whether buj is just scum who everyone is misreading

but if you do the correct mechanical play here (no swaps, lynch the group with confirmed scum), yes you may lynch 4 town players, but you also GUARANTEE at least one scum being lynched (only one in this case) and the game can move on because town knows exactly what happened and can look back at who said what about it and why it makes sense. nobody is in the dark. everything is clear as day

i know this game will probably be forgotten about by certain players who are still headstrong about things like this, but dram is correct here; the epicmafia play is what wisdom is doing

Hahaha

i honestly think if i were town in this game i would have been thinking about the setup in much the same way as i've been pretending to, though i would have been more vocal about some things and less vocal about others

it's unfortunate that certain players are incredibly wrapped up in their egos

i feel a bit sad for the people going off at dram for being shit at the game and not being as good as them because they have good reads and whatnot

well, i say people... it's mostly the REAL MAN and a little bit of wisdom there so...

i feel like dram is going to explode at the REAL MAN post-game (or when they're both dead) after he sees what actually happened in this game

alternatively, we lynch group 2 with no regard for wisdom's swap... which i REALLY want to happen but it needs to mostly be pushed by the currently silent voices (like NSG, DV, even cakez) for it to happen and i'm not sure what their opinions are post-swap (i think DV might still think it optimal to lynch group 2?)

In post 1106, Eddie Cane wrote:faking a guilty on scum doesn't make faking the guilty optimal play

another important lesson!

How are you leaning on your switch?

In post 1104, dramonic wrote:SCUM CONTROLS THE PACE OF THE GAME, SAVING 1 EXTRA POTENTIAL TOWN SLOT DOES

NOTHING

YOU RUINED OUR ONE GUARANTEE AT A SCUM LYNCH BECAUSE YOU THINK YOU'RE BETTER THAN EVERYONE

i feel bad for dram!

In post 183, havingfitz wrote:How are you leaning on your switch?

not sure!

either pine or you or no one depending on where public opinion sways!

if we're lynching group 2 anyway, i don't swap

if we're lynching group 3, i do! and then you've gotta decide whether you like the feeling of the rubber tires of the bus or whether we just kill pine and have an all-town-lynch day!

the latter might be optimal!

Well I'm not big on bussing. With our 1-1-1 distro I expected it in this game but the swaps make a clean town lynch possible and awfully enticing.

In post 184, zMuffinMan wrote:i feel bad for dram!

Yep...he had good points about going for the sure thing. Luckily town felt differently.

The problem with not swapping you into G3 is i look pretty bad if/when you do flip

maybe it'll be possible to play it off though?

I'll think about it when im not busy

Been reading like one post every 5-10 mins while doing other stuff today

Would not recommend catching up this way!

I think switching Pine for you might be for the best. We get a mislynch of all town and kill the towniest person, then we can bus tomorrow if need be. I think today is important to go without lynching one of us, though.

yeah wait til im off work ill try to talk dv into not hating me for switching pine

okay np

they might speed lynch you, so you should decide asap. i think its between bussing fitz and takng down pine. up to you

i could see fitz bus working well in the later days. makes a scum in pine/wisdom/buj in town's perspectve. and that post by buj trying to quick lynch you will look bad

they can't really speedlynch me because my action resets the votecount

if everyone votes before you swap, then yeah

there's 3 votes out of 7 atm so im not too worried about it happening before i can action is what i mean

ill swap someone before i sleep tonight anyway

im just contemplating whether g2 can be lynched with no swap or with eddie moving you out

ok. nooooooooooooow i just need to figure out a decent reason to switch pine into G3

In post 1301, Wisdom wrote:The funny part is that when we net 2-3 scum as a result of my plan dram muffin and co will just call me "lucky" and "you just flipped a coin for your reads" and stuff
Ive seen it a million times

sorry! i'll apologise in post-game for it!