SUPP 2017 MAFIA: COMPLETE

[Chara]

i agree with basically all of the above post. thanks Maria.

also provable role =/= alignment-indicative information.

[Chara]

god damn it pagetop.

[Srceenplay]

So scum is
Deasvail
The worst
Dan/Shoshin

Sounds good.

[the worst]

not sure how to feel about the fact I don't think that team has any scum in it

[Dunnstral]

105 isn't something scum screenplay says imo it's too dumb a gambit to try but his reaction to it was pretty good imo. I dislike Dan jumping on it
The post itself (Dans) isn't that impressive and easy to fake of a catch up if any

I agree with this, didn't like him pointing to 105

[Punreader]

i thought Punreader was claiming to be an alt.

There's no need to claim what my signature reveals already.

I'm actually a bit concerned about "punreader".

You should be off of what I claimed, yes. It's not exactly a town-sounding set of abilities. I promise you that if I fullclaimed, you would feel much better about my slot. You would also wish I had kept my mouth shut and left it at the partial claim.

The confidence in the fact that the reasoning is flawed is the strange part.

I fail to see why. The player with the most experience with themselves will always be...themselves. I would be quite concerned if I couldn't confidently state the reasoning was flawed given the subject was myself.

Mmm... I don't see scum-motivation here. There's no normal roles in this game, to my understanding, so why would

Pun

lie here?

And if he's scum WITH a BP, then there's probably a mechanical or role reason for this. In which case,

Pun

is actively sacrificing his role info., in the effect of getting a reaction from townies, possibly to give info.

There is an answer to this which would reveal why it is not nearly as town as you are assuming.

I don't think this is a reason I should share, but it contributes to the confidence in the action not being alignment-indicative.

Has that discussion helped you form reads?

Indirectly, yes. I'm still deciding at what time I'll reveal them. I can feasibly do it at any time, even during the night. (Role perk; yes this is a softclaim. I have Cheetory, the

winner of SUPP 2017

, as my role. It has many benefits.)

I was thinking perhaps shortly after every player had contributed content, as that'd leave time for refinement off of reactions. I'm sadly no Ellibereth, but I am a big fan of his work and bombshell-dropping style. Except instead of a bomb, I drop puns.

Too many people are playing null right now. It's a bit hard to conjure reads.

I will neutralize this problem before the start of next week. (Before Monday.)

[Vaxkiller]

This is my town post.

Gaze and wonder at it's town-ness.

Scum will cower and be fearful of it's power.

[DeasVail]

I think it's time for me to be a little less passive in how I approach things here.

The game is not moving very fast, which I must admit the lazy part of me appreciates because there is not as much I need to read, but I also really don't have the reads on people that I'd want to have at this point in the game.

So I'm going to give my thoughts on various things and we'll see how that goes.

-

I've lost interest somewhat in the discussion surrounding Punreader's claim. When it comes to role-related factors in determining their alignment, I think that will be better answered later. And while I was initially unsure of them based on their initial response to me, I am satisfied enough with their latest post to not really focus much more there right now.

I also have a question for MariaR and Dunnstral:

Do you believe that ActionDan's intention in pointing out 105 was to make Screenplay look bad?

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Players who I townread in some form:

Espeonage
Dunnstral
Punreader
Shoshin
Fire Assassin
Taly

Players who have either not posted enough for me to get a read, or what they have posted does not direct me in either alignment direction:

MariaR
ActionDan
Pine
ReubenWasFine
Chara
Screenplay
Vaxkiller
PenguinPower
NicoRobin

(too many people here!)

Players that I am becoming suspicious of include:

- TehBrawlGuy

I am not ready to share the specifics of my thoughts here yet, but I am concerned!

(Okay it only ended up being one person. Well there we go!)

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And The Worst is a special read in that I initially had him in the suspicious section and then in the town section and now I...

now I...

Meow!

Ugh sorry. Now I...

Meow meow meow meow!

Purrrrrrrrr

Meow Meow Meow!

[DeasVail]

[Taly]

ugh why does things finally get good when im going to class

will post later

[Shoshin]

Espeonage
Dunnstral

Is this based on their role claims or behaviors?

[Srceenplay]

Espeonage
Dunnstral

Is this based on their role claims or behaviors?

I’m sure it’s just TMI.

[Shoshin]

Espeonage
Dunnstral

Is this based on their role claims or behaviors?

I’m sure it’s just TMI.

I don't know what that is.

[Srceenplay]

To Much Information


Only one faction has TMI.
So I’m shading him and calling him scum because the only reason he has them as town is because he knows they re town. Ask him to explain it more in PT.

[Shoshin]

Only one faction has TMI.
So I’m shading him and calling him scum because the only reason he has them as town is because he knows they re town. Ask him to explain it more in PT.

Why scumread him?

[DeasVail]

Espeonage
Dunnstral

Is this based on their role claims or behaviors?

My reads are unrelated to the claims.

[Espeonage]

To Much Information


Only one faction has TMI.
So I’m shading him and calling him scum because the only reason he has them as town is because he knows they re town. Ask him to explain it more in PT.

Ok so you think negative scum utility is more likely than negative town utility.

At worst one of us is scum. But I think it's likely were both town and one of us has a scum target and the other has a town target.

Or one of is scum and we both have town targets.

I'm not calling srceen scum, but intelligent is also not a word I would use.

[Espeonage]

Imma be on for proper chat chats later.

[Srceenplay]

To Much Information


Only one faction has TMI.
So I’m shading him and calling him scum because the only reason he has them as town is because he knows they re town. Ask him to explain it more in PT.

Ok so you think negative scum utility is more likely than negative town utility.

At worst one of us is scum. But I think it's likely were both town and one of us has a scum target and the other has a town target.

Or one of is scum and we both have town targets.

I'm not calling srceen scum, but intelligent is also not a word I would use.

I don’t think we are talking about the same thing because I’m lost.

[PenguinPower]

Can we do some type of voting system? I'm having a difficult time parsing where people really are without some sort of vote.

[Espeonage]

To Much Information


Only one faction has TMI.
So I’m shading him and calling him scum because the only reason he has them as town is because he knows they re town. Ask him to explain it more in PT.

Ok so you think negative scum utility is more likely than negative town utility.

At worst one of us is scum. But I think it's likely were both town and one of us has a scum target and the other has a town target.

Or one of is scum and we both have town targets.

I'm not calling srceen scum, but intelligent is also not a word I would use.

I don’t think we are talking about the same thing because I’m lost.

Ah I misread what you said. My understanding was you were saying that dv could only think we were town if he was scum and knew we were town which implies you are scumreading both me and dunn until dv made his post.

[the worst]

Can we do some type of voting system? I'm having a difficult time parsing where people really are without some sort of vote.

thissssssss
I'll probably try and do a rudimentary thing later tonight if I'm freeish

[MariaR]

@mod I'm off to new york should be back by Sat

[Espeonage]

My issue with this is that if scum have some sort of mechanic to abuse the results it might make it abusable.

I'd rather we pick someone to universally give zeros and people who step outside of that have scumclaimed.

[Taly]

Maria, what'd you like about 155? You think it's realistic that townScreen actually thought there weren't scum in this game?

Do you think

Screen

was being serious? lol, this question sounds much sassier than intended, btw.

The only game I've played with him is when he was town, and he made similar BS-type posts that made little sense. That's not enough to warrant a confident townlean from him, but with his recent posts bringing up scum possibilities, I think this is

Screen

at least appearing to be pro-town... by his standards.

PINE<3333

TBH I think if someone's role is impacted by the d1 mechanics or has a strong negative utility or something it's worth claiming otherwise probably not. I like whoever made that BP claim less the more I think on it

Dan and Shoshin are looking ok

What makes you uneasy about the BP claim?

Also what's "looking OK" mean?

yeah nothing by Punreader has impressed me

i agree with basically all of the above post. thanks Maria.

also provable role =/= alignment-indicative information.

D: Any independent thoughts

Chara

?

Also you missed this:

Ehhh... my read was kind of random gut. Your first impression gave me what I think town-you would be like.

I asked you why you're probably town while I townleaned you for several reasons:
1) Wanted to get your reaction, seeing what you'd think of me asking a seemingly-trivial question while providing a judgment.
2) Wanted a start-off point of engagement with you BEYOND "what/who is this to you".

I can see Deas being scum based off him seeming to be very productive, but he hasn't been like that. I can't tell if it's playstyle or something more, though.

What makes you think Brawl could be town?
Any reaction to the posting between me and Fire?
Do you think we should do scumreads/townreads type thing, or should we do "lets start assigning numbers to people, and ranking our reads based off that"?

So scum is
Deasvail
The worst
Dan/Shoshin

Sounds good.

:/ Can you explain? Because you got townreads in here, and you also got iffy people in here.

not sure how to feel about the fact I don't think that team has any scum in it

How are you sure

Dan, Shoshin, and DeasVail

are likely town?

Does this impact your read on

Screen

?

Mmm... I don't see scum-motivation here. There's no normal roles in this game, to my understanding, so why would

Pun

lie here?

And if he's scum WITH a BP, then there's probably a mechanical or role reason for this. In which case,

Pun

is actively sacrificing his role info., in the effect of getting a reaction from townies, possibly to give info.

There is an answer to this which would reveal why it is not nearly as town as you are assuming.

I don't think this is a reason I should share, but it contributes to the confidence in the action not being alignment-indicative.

See, this is why I don't get people questioning the nature of your claim. At least at this moment.

If you were scum, why would you list possibilities on how an action could be motivated as scum? Or at least, not being as town as someone believed? Town usually wants full transparency and understanding, and I don't think scum openly point out there action to town-me as a,

"you could see this at another angle that also makes sense"

if it meant they'd be questioned more.

My D1 reads often suck, but I don't scum here.

Also:

disagree that pun's claim should be viewed as towny - BP is a very easy falseclaim to make, especially conditional where nobody can shoot safely to check it. I still read him as Town on tone, but I think giving him townpoints for the claim is bad logic.

Tonereads without meta or defined reasoning does not look like strong logic to me, either.

And if the claim shouldn't be viewed as towny - which is not the sole reason of my townread there at this point - then what's your take on it?

Has that discussion helped you form reads?

Indirectly, yes. I'm still deciding at what time I'll reveal them. I can feasibly do it at any time, even during the night. (Role perk; yes this is a softclaim. I have Cheetory, the

winner of SUPP 2017

, as my role. It has many benefits.)

I was thinking perhaps shortly after every player had contributed content, as that'd leave time for refinement off of reactions. I'm sadly no Ellibereth, but I am a big fan of his work and bombshell-dropping style. Except instead of a bomb, I drop puns.

Mmm.... I'd like to wait before I think about the softclaim.

This is my town post.

Gaze and wonder at it's town-ness.

Scum will cower and be fearful of it's power.

I fell asleep.

- TehBrawlGuy

I am not ready to share the specifics of my thoughts here yet, but I am concerned!

(Okay it only ended up being one person. Well there we go!)

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And The Worst is a special read in that I initially had him in the suspicious section and then in the town section and now I...

I'm ready to hear the specific thoughts when you want to tell.

Also, even if you don't have a defined read on

the worst

, can you talk to me about him? I've seen enough of his play to tell that his alignments have a difference in his play.

Haven't seen enough to tell what those differences are.

Are you good with the voting/ranking system at the same time,

DV

?

My issue with this is that if scum have some sort of mechanic to abuse the results it might make it abusable.

I'd rather we pick someone to universally give zeros and people who step outside of that have scumclaimed.

Describe

"abusable"

, like an example.

Ehhh... I have reservations of literally pointing out someone and all of us collectively give them 0s. If they're town, that's basically a free sacrifice for scum.

If they're scum, we don't have adequate information in deducing their partners? Or at least, figuring out IF we hit scum prior to a deadline.