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Why is Gamma a scumlean, Irrelephant?

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In post 166, RadiantCowbells wrote:I do think its pretty decently likely I'm only scumreading you because of the manner of your push on Skitter and

I have info that suggests not that AI

Is this bit about me or shoshin?

Hey Skitter, what's your read on Gamma?

Because it looks towny to defend Nos and he gets to pocket Nos a little too
Then when he was pressured about it he basically said "I did say it was dumb so just kinda stop asking me about it pls"

In post 172, Irrelephant11 wrote:Shoshin what's your read on RC/the level of it?

Creature: townlean
Gammagooey: scumlean, but prolly not with nos
Kokichi: I like your idea of tying the gachapon if the winner isn't announced, but I don't like your iso. But meh, "hated" probably isn't the opposite alignment as the double voter. Townlean.
nsg: sheeping RC's scumlean for now
noferatu: scumlean, but prolly not with gamma
Porkens: townlean?
SirCakez: townlean
skitter: townlean
Varsoon: whatever
Reck: double voter is probably town?

Yay everyone but varsoon has done something AI already this really is gonna be a good game
ask for reasons if you're curious just thought I'd throw my attempt at reads in the thread

Porkens is kinda gutpinging me as scum. Why are u maybe town on him?

Agree with u on kokichi

Shoshin is prob town, i think u might be town, rc is maybe town but i'm never confident on that

In post 179, Irrelephant11 wrote:Because it looks towny to defend Nos and he gets to pocket Nos a little too
Then when he was pressured about it he basically said "I did say it was dumb so just kinda stop asking me about it pls"

What looks towny about defending Nos? I don't get that at all.

In post 178, Shoshin wrote:Hey Skitter, what's your read on Gamma?

Pretty much null

I liked his reasoning on nos tho; don't think its hard to fake tho

In post 144, Shoshin wrote:Creature's town. I will never lynch him and I will death tunnel anyone who tries. I do not want him self-destructing this game so please do not start wagoning that player, even suggesting he's scummy is bad for this game.

what makes you feel this way? every game I've played with him (granted, the only two I remember were wacky bullshit games) he's been a competent player who hasn't lost his shit about nothing like that

And it seems like this might actually be a chill game so saying that even suggesting he's scummy is bad seems really dumb to me.

that gachapon vote has some strange juxtapositions

ur face has some strange juxtapositions

In post 181, Shoshin wrote:

In post 179, Irrelephant11 wrote:Because it looks towny to defend Nos and he gets to pocket Nos a little too
Then when he was pressured about it he basically said "I did say it was dumb so just kinda stop asking me about it pls"

What looks towny about defending Nos? I don't get that at all.

In post 100, Shoshin wrote:Gamma's town, though. I don't think scum would read into Nos the way he did.

It's a curious juxtaposition, for sure.

Gamma, what's your read on Creature?

In post 180, skitter30 wrote:Porkens is kinda gutpinging me as scum. Why are u maybe town on him?

Same but

In post 57, Porkens wrote:Why isn't Gamma lynched yet?

seemed more likely to come from town than scum
Definitely my weakest townlean

In post 187, Shoshin wrote:It's a curious juxtaposition, for sure.

Gamma, what's your read on Creature?

scummy side of null

he definitely hasn't done anything worth townreading yet

In post 53, Porkens wrote:VOTE: Gammagooey

In post 57, Porkens wrote:Why isn't Gamma lynched yet?

In post 58, RadiantCowbells wrote:lololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololol

I didnt like this naked gamma vote; he had already posted and a bunch kf peopke had voted gamma on the previous page; thats where the scumlean came from

Rc's 58 made it seem like lynching gamma might be a meme tho that i dont know

listen lynching gamma is always a meme but only if it was done before page 10

Ye like i said it seemed like a meme which us why i didnt make a thing about it

its not actually a meme for the record

but i would be happy to make it one because he voted me

Uh ok?

In which case i continue to be gutscum on porkens

Porkens is a good scumread

i like it

i award you 20 RCbucks

that should be a currency

Creature is town beyond reasonable doubt. Take a look at 23 (questioning a townread on himself isn't how scum Creature would react), 35 (progressing naturally from the confusion in 23), 71 (exhibiting a conversational tone, lots of ease, no awkwardness, not at all like scum Creature), 73 (posing an excellent question that probably wouldn't occur to scum Creature at this point in the game), and 77 (expressing conviction in early vote, very unlike scum Creature). If Creature were scum, in contrast, he'd likely have expressed an early townread with a tone of awkwardness while acting with no conviction about anything and exhibiting nothing close to any sort of progression in his thinking.

@Gamma - how is any of this on the "scummy side of null"?

Yey this got posts

Aww I'm not motivated

In post 142, SirCakez wrote:Creature being a nonpresence is always worrying too.

I'm feeling depressive.

In post 196, Shoshin wrote:Creature is town beyond reasonable doubt. Take a look at 23 (questioning a townread on himself isn't how scum Creature would react), 35 (progressing naturally from the confusion in 23), 71 (exhibiting a conversational tone, lots of ease, no awkwardness, not at all like scum Creature), 73 (posing an excellent question that probably wouldn't occur to scum Creature at this point in the game), and 77 (expressing conviction in early vote, very unlike scum Creature). If Creature were scum, in contrast, he'd likely have expressed an early townread with a tone of awkwardness while acting with no conviction about anything and exhibiting nothing close to any sort of progression in his thinking.

@Gamma - how is any of this on the "scummy side of null"?

literally all of it except arguably #77 seems more likely to me to be coming from Creature as a human being/personality rather than Creature as <alignment>

like #35 is just a different wording of 'oh i get that townread now' and I don't even know which one
#23 is reacting to three separate townreads of yours, not just the one on him and makes 1000% sense coming from any alignment
#71 is a one-line joke post
#73 is asking what happened to a player

Like you've got a gut-town read on Creature sure but it feels like you're pulling out a lot of reasons from literally nothing to support it here, Creature's a good player as both alignments from what I've seen and good scumplayers can make and/all of those posts.