Newbie 1953 | Zooborns IV | Game Over

[Leucosticte]

In addition to that, I think Leucosticte is just posting fluff and should provide their reads so far.

Micc --

probably some vanilla townie

, too opinionated to be a PR, or else he's be taking more of a wait-and-see attitude; could also be scum just trying to take on the role of leader though; anyway, doesn't seem to be a liability to town although that question of the math of OMGUS, I want to look into after this game is over; has some opinions and I'll be interested to see how those pan out

skitter30 --

seems okay

, asks questions, provides helpful info; notes at one point, "this is mostly considered a scummy mindset on this site"; hopefully that was just informative about the site's norms rather than implying we should just blindly follow those ways of thinking

Dyrenz --

seems okay

, leaning slightly scum maybe just because stylistically they remind me of someone who was scum last game

Farren --

probably some townie PR who's gonna try to hide for awhile

, doesn't seem like a liability to town really; stylistically, strikes me as playing like one of these more experienced players who may be useful at some point. Seems to ask some reasonable questions, not too antagonistic

Jamelia --

too early to tell

; if I weren't already voting for Mr Oobsy, I might vote for another non-voter today; perhaps Jamelia should start out the discussion tomorrow if they're allowed the luxury/privilege of taking a wait-and-see attitude today; it's only fair

NorwegianboyEE --

mixed feelings

, idk, they said, "The game had barely started and his vote already puts Leucosticte (Who hadn't even talked yet by this point) to L-2", yet I thought the mentality of a lynch mob was to rush to judgment, and that the process of voting would encourage devil's advocates to come out for the other side; if someone had dropped the hammer prematurely, and turned out to be town, that could've been sus and therefore useful info for guiding the next day's discussion; nonetheless, based on the same logic as my OMGUS mathematics earlier with regard to Micc, I have to say that works in his favor from my point of view; if I know I'm town then anyone who supports me automatically seems slightly less sus

Leucosticte --

that dude's pretty cool, I think he's got potential

; he strikes me as one of these turboneets who will be able to give this game the attention it deserves; really I have nothing negative to say about this player at this early juncture based on what has been presented thus far

Chemist1422 --

seems to quibble a lot with tone rather than substance

, should probably knock that off, unless it's in the context of saying, "this seems scummy"

Mr Oobsy --

I thought he was cool at first but then he voted for me without giving any reason

, that ain't cool

Mr Oobsy is probably a town vanilla tbh but in the absence of any major scumtells, I don't have a problem with pushing him overboard if he's going to be a liability; we need the final group of players to be people whose judgment we can rely on

Some people are like, "You shouldn't speculate about town PRs" but we'll just have to see after the game if scum was like, "oh yeah, I took my cue from those speculations and targeted those people" and if I was even right in my speculations; this is a newbie experiment.

[Farren]

Town - Mr. Oobsy, Norwegian
Null - Micc, Skitter, Farren, Chemist

Can you further explain your reads on Micc and Norwegian?

[Farren]

yall, I think Dryenz is scum. More people should vote him.

Apparently you picked the wrong person's name to practice your spelling on.

I'm assuming your read on Dyrenz has worsened since you voted for him, given that you're now actively rallying for his lynch. What has he done since then to cause that?

[Mr Oobsy]

Leucosticte

is probably a town vanilla tbh but in the absence of any major scumtells, I don't have a problem with pushing him overboard if he's going to be a liability; we need the final group of players to be people whose judgment we can rely on

[Dyrenz]

Town - Mr. Oobsy, Norwegian
Null - Micc, Skitter, Farren, Chemist

Can you further explain your reads on Micc and Norwegian?

After re-reading Norwegian's ISO, I think it a light town read at best. My best reasoning being that his play style seems similar to mine (cautious, somewhat passive) and I just responded positively to that. Of course, now I'm thinking my slow and steady play style isn't always the most efficient way to hunt scum. Might drop him to a null read though, as his posting is more reactive than inquisitive.

For my Micc read, Leucosticte pretty much summed up how I feel in his own post. Micc is very opinionated, aggressive even, and could be a VT with nothing to lose or a mafia looking to play town leader. He's very much the opposite of me and I think that is why he is gunning so hard for me because he sees play like mine to automatically be indicative of scum because it is in such opposition to his own.

[Mr Oobsy]

I just remembered we can vote for no lynch. Please join me everyone!

VOTE: NO LYNCH

[Farren]

After re-reading Norwegian's ISO, I think it a light town read at best. My best reasoning being that his play style seems similar to mine (cautious, somewhat passive) and I just responded positively to that. Of course, now I'm thinking my slow and steady play style isn't always the most efficient way to hunt scum. Might drop him to a null read though, as his posting is more reactive than inquisitive.

For my Micc read, Leucosticte pretty much summed up how I feel in his own post. Micc is very opinionated, aggressive even, and could be a VT with nothing to lose or a mafia looking to play town leader. He's very much the opposite of me and I think that is why he is gunning so hard for me because he sees play like mine to automatically be indicative of scum because it is in such opposition to his own.

I would not describe Norwegian as cautious and somewhat passive, from what I've seen so far in this game.

VOTE: Dyrenz

[Dyrenz]

Aside from gunning for Chemist early on, I haven't seen a whole lot of constructive analysis coming out of Norwegian, so that's why I say that

[Farren]

I just remembered we can vote for no lynch. Please join me everyone!

VOTE: NO LYNCH

There is no way I'm voting No Lynch on D1, and only edge cases where I'd vote it at all - think MYLO scenarios with no cleared players.

[Dyrenz]

Oobsy, explain why we should no lynch?

The very act of lynching is in itself a form of scumhunting when we can look at who voted, who pushed, when they pushed, why they pushed, etc. Even in the case a mislynch we can garner valuable information about those involved in the process.

[Mr Oobsy]

There's nothing to be gleaned from random votes. Everyone's trying to find meaning where there cannot possibly be any. Then arguing about the non-existant meaning they think they found. Without power roles sharing clues nobody can hope to accomplish anything but random lynch and hope they flip

Mafia

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UNVOTE: Leucosticte
VOTE: Farren

[Dyrenz]

We're definitely beyond random voting at this stage. Votes made, at least some of them anyway, are calculated and based on intuition/hunches.

Farren has, at least twice now, piggybacked Micc's reads specifically regarding me.

Jamelia reminds me of someone from my last game who flipped scum, so while I might be reading her as slightly scummy, I'm worried it's just reminding me of my last game.

[Dyrenz]

SORRY!

Him*

[Mr Oobsy]

Votes made, at least some of them anyway, are calculated and based on intuition/hunches.

Show me one.

[skitter30]

To hinder discussion and make a lynch happen without seeming guilty because two people already voted. That’s the feeling i got from the language he used in his comment.

i don't get why you think a *post 10* l-2 vote is anything close to making a lynch happen

[Chemist1422]

it's like 10 PM here and I'm tired but I'll try to break down Leu's wall then get to stuff later

[skitter30]

This implies drawing the game out is a good thing, based on the fact Mafia do not want it. If Mafia don't want it, Town should want it. The longer the game, the more informed our votes can be.

So why does skitter30, having just explained why not lynching hurts Mafia, encourage me to try to lynch someone:

because scum can win the game by no lynching each day and killing a townie each night. it'll take like five phases i think for them to win, but it'll happen eventually - much slower than if they got some mislynches along the way

in contrast, if town doesn't lynch, they have no way of removing scum from the game
there's literally no way to win by constantly no lynching

[skitter30]

Not moving things - i feel like your questions exist to ask questions, not really to progress the game or to get answers

Suit yourself. I'm not going to change how I hunt any time soon.

ok, and it's likely that i will not be changing my vote any time soon :shrug:

[skitter30]

norwegian is actually kinda scummy

[skitter30]

leu, why are you voting mr oobsey exactly?

[skitter30]

also, like, don't publicly speculate about prs, ty

[skitter30]

Dyrenz -- seems okay, leaning slightly scum maybe just because stylistically they remind me of someone who was scum last game

who do they remind you of ?

[skitter30]

I just remembered we can vote for no lynch. Please join me everyone!

VOTE: NO LYNCH

no

[skitter30]

I would not describe Norwegian as cautious and somewhat passive, from what I've seen so far in this game.

why is this a voteworthy offense?

[Chemist1422]

I'm not breaking down that wall it's half PR reads and my head hurts

I should sleep but I have homework anyway